connecting 2 sites 120 miles apart telecoms guru's required

[tim124]

surely if you are only doing an incremental backup there shouldnt be that much data to transfer?....

 

[dk]

backup to a raid 5 nas box. problem solved, no tapes to change every day.

doesn't help the offsite though as he hasn't got the pipe to do it remotely.

backup to disk still needs tape, tape is not dead yet.

 

[Adam K]

backup to a raid 5 nas box. problem solved, no tapes to change every day.

doesn't help the offsite though as he hasn't got the pipe to do it remotely.

backup to disk still needs tape, tape is not dead yet.

why does he need one? surely his backup is scheduled?

 

[dk]

doesn't help the offsite though as he hasn't got the pipe to do it remotely.

backup to disk still needs tape, tape is not dead yet.

why does he need one? surely his backup is scheduled?

don't understand what you mean though?

need what, a tape drive?

The point of a tape drive is so that you can take the tape off site overnight.

No point in having a backup if the building is destroyed by fire overnight, which if its saved on a NAS will happen unless you pump it to an offsite NAS which he can't do at the moment because of his pipe.

 

[ChrisR]

What Dave said, the idea is that most people use tape as it's easily moved off site once the backup is done

 

[Rasclart]

Tape certainly isnt dead.

We provide it support for quite a few Solicitors, one of the stipulations of there insurance was that they HAVE to have a offsite backup on removable media NOT say for instance "online" offsite backup. So they have both in place.

 

[Andy]

Cheap solution?

b*****d. Beat me to it.

I'm sure these can be configured to carry data. :clown:

 

[McBunny]

yup we need offsite backup for disaster recovery part of buisness continuity

here i have an lto 2 and lto 4 drive backing up my stuff at the moment but we are off to san based storage soon and mirroring the data to an offsite san but still we need a tape backup


thye need afull backup every night to ease recovery

 

[@Spoonie]

Look at a product that will do block level backups, you can easily back 15 PC's over the WAN like that.

Data Protection Manager will allow end user recovery, block level backups, long term tape and short term disk backups of XP and above.

Depends on how much your budget is really

http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/dpm/default.mspx

 

[dk]

Look at a product that will do block level backups, you can easily back 15 PC's over the WAN like that.

Data Protection Manager will allow end user recovery, block level backups, long term tape and short term disk backups of XP and above.

Depends on how much your budget is really

http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/dpm/default.mspx

why would you want block level backup of pc's when its all file level data, block level is database?

 

[@Spoonie]

Look at a product that will do block level backups, you can easily back 15 PC's over the WAN like that.

Data Protection Manager will allow end user recovery, block level backups, long term tape and short term disk backups of XP and above.

Depends on how much your budget is really

http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/dpm/default.mspx

why would you want block level backup of pc's when its all file level data, block level is database?

Because backing up complete files when only a small portion of the data has changed is inefficient. For example if a user has a Outlook personal folder of 2GB, you wouldn't want to be pulling 2GB across the wire if the file had only grown by a 2KB change. Using volume bitmaps you can tell what portions of the file have changed on disk and therefore only pull those changes across. These changes can then be integrated into the last backup.

Also please note I'm referring to using Disk - Disk backup solution here. Disk to Tape will be File level. To implement a branch backup solution and meet the require meant for a offsite tape you'd have:

Disk -> Disk -> Tape

The Disk replica allow users to recover their own data and the Tape in case everything burns down.

 

[dk]

i think you are overcomplicating the situation now, we are only talking about a few pc's, it would take minutes to backup, thats not the issue, its the dude forgetting to change the tape thats the problem.

The Vbac i mentioned before allows users to restore their own data or I guess you could setup VSS on their pc's.

I don't see a requirement to backup to disk here though, too costly and especially for the pipe needed.

 

[Bash]

If your 100% serious and can do it exactly as the crow fly's i.e, you have direct line of site. buy this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DMC-STRATEX-23-GHz-MICROWAVE-LINK-HOP_W0QQitemZ220173479669QQihZ012QQcategoryZ101281QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?bcsi_scan_3585239536A925CD=rX88YIy0aIj3V+8LSUg9bysAAAB2UoQF:1

It many be a bit pricy but you can stream a hell of a lot of data 24/7. I can set these up as well, I work for the telecom's company Arqiva. I know people who buy these so that they can broadcast pirate radio stations from remote.

 

[dk]

If your 100% serious and can do it exactly as the crow fly's i.e, you have direct line of site. buy this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DMC-STRATEX-23-GHz-MICROWAVE-LINK-HOP_W0QQitemZ220173479669QQihZ012QQcategoryZ101281QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?bcsi_scan_3585239536A925CD=rX88YIy0aIj3V+8LSUg9bysAAAB2UoQF:1

It many be a bit pricy but you can stream a hell of a lot of data 24/7. I can set these up as well, I work for the telecom's company Arqiva. I know people who buy these so that they can broadcast pirate radio stations from remote.

wow, that is a different solution, would need to be two bloody high buildings to get a line of site over that distance though I would have thought.

Interesting though.

 

[ChrisR]

Used to use a lot of that stuff at my old place

 

[Bash]

depending on MC bunnys requiremnets a cheep link between 2 tower blocks can be done for just under 2k or high powered baby and a flag pole can be done for about 5K. if its just one way traffic then cheeper feel free to PM me I will try to help as much as I can.

 

[@Spoonie]

i think you are overcomplicating the situation now, we are only talking about a few pc's, it would take minutes to backup, thats not the issue, its the dude forgetting to change the tape thats the problem.

The Vbac i mentioned before allows users to restore their own data or I guess you could setup VSS on their pc's.

I don't see a requirement to backup to disk here though, too costly and especially for the pipe needed.

Not really sure how its over complicating? As I read the situation management want to centralise control of backups for this office because the staff there aren't putting a tape in. Just gave an option that will work across slow links and is scalable.

 

[H182]

Isn't 120miles too far for them microwave things?

 

[Rasclart]

We assisted in a Laser link between two buildings for an engineer firm. But they were only about 1/2 mile as the crow flys

 

[Mike_182]

me either as a backup it be ok but tbh it not fast enough

i think we should just elctrocute the bloke every time he forgets :0 but my boss wanted me to see what else we could do to back it up up here instead

f**k him off for someone that does what they're supposed to.

 

[FlamingMonkey]

Tape isn't dead but it is s**t

I wouldn't trust it with my pot noodle, if I didn't have too