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i havent locked mine up yeat although ive found that breaking on a corner is a bit hair raising!
I mean when an ABS system is designed and fitted, if someone can stop the same car quicker without ABS during testing, the ABS system is re-iterated! And YES, a car fitted with ABS will always stop quicker than the same car without ABS. The ABS system can measure and react far more quickly than a human can.
i cant stand ABS on any car,
on poor broken and bumpy urban surfaces it comes in far too much and you end up with no retardation at all for what seems like an age, nearly been in the back of people because of it, if it had locked up normally the braking distance would certainly have been less. The extreme example is snow and ice, there ABS is useless.
IMHO of course
Brakes quicker than a 911 Turbo? What year, it must be an old one because they have being the leader in road brakes for a long time.
The current 911 Turbo brakes from 60-0 in 2.4 seconds, the Clio does it in 2.7, a good result but not 911 performance. From 100 its going to be an even bigger gap.
Think about it, say your Clio was as quick as a 911 Turbo, about twice as fast as it normally is, more so above a 100. Then imagine you had left the brakes as they were, they would fry them selfs trying to stop you from 150+ the car would feel dangerous
The 172 is a great hot hatch, but it is no supercar!
What is it with ppl and ABS?
Do they think their name is Fangio, Schumacher.......... ABS is a great help when trying to stop your car!
On broken and bumpy roads why would cadence ( not sure of the spelling ) braking be any better than ABS, If you run into the back of a car with ABS you will defo hit it with out! The idea of ABS is to enable the car to steer when your braking at full pelt. You can then try avoiding an object instead of locking up and losing your steering.
No car stops on ice! and as for driving in snow yes ABS is worse, but I would rather put 2-3 mtrs on my braking distance once in a blue moon when we get some heavy snow.
Without ABS you control all 4 wheels with the press of the brake pedal. With ABS you hammer the brake and the wheel sensors can apply or back off the braking bias to each wheel individually.
Id place a very large amount of money on it that a standard 172 could outstop you on this road you mentioned!
Fair point, but I found on my old mk1 that the ABS would often cut in on bumpy roads when it just wasnt necessary. There are benefits and disadvantages for both with or without ABS. The Cup is aimed at the trackday driver more or less and I am one of those people who prefer it for this reason but I must agree that for every day driving the ABS is good, so long as the surface is smooth.
I think it all boils down to what you intend to use the Cup for and your overall level of ability and confidence in the car.
There is no way a standard 172 will outbrake a 996 turbo from 100 or any speed for that matter. Id like to know where you got that information. -----
its true a mk1 172 timed at 3.99 secs braking from 100 recorded the quickest stopping time all day against various supercars this was a test in Autocar ill see if i can find it to proove it to you. makes it one of/the quickest braking rd car in the world std, unless you can find a quicker time from a 100.
The only time ive found ABS to be bad is on really loose gravel/pebbles this was on some parking area not rd i was going quickish in 1st pressed the brakes and the ABS came on too early.
As for ice and snow well......
i might be a rally driver...
..and believe me with London roads you fly over loose gravel a hell of a lot of the time!
do F1 cars have ABS? not sure but I dont think so , whether that is just rules or choice I m not sure.
All i m trying to say is that ABS is not necessarily the best thing in all conditions partuicularly for fast driving , track work and racing situations.
Um, this is total crap......youll of wanted that ABS when it all goes tits up and you stare at the back of that truck with locked wheels.......like a rabbit in headlights.
All this "im a good driver" talk means nowt.....ABS does help, in some circumstances it can go oopsy, but should you really be going fast enough in teh snow/ice/gravel?
Some people are too proud to admit.......
As for Formula 1, its banned....i.e. the rules say they cant use it, or they would be.......if a computer can regulate the traction control, why cant it slow you faster aswell.
sheesh..........
