Cup & climate control

[Rich-D]

ok, heres one for ya...


How heavy is the climate control system in a Clio and what weight will it add to a Cup if it was chosen as an option?!

Also, I know the R-Sport ECU is only for the Cup and mainly due to the 172 & Cup having a different ECU to begin with. But, if you had climate on a Cup, would the ECU be the same as a Cup or a 172 and then could you still get an R-Sport ECU?!



Sorry, but my brain has been thinking too much again!

 

[telford_mike]

Its not just the weight. The engine powers the compressor via an accessory belt. This uses engine power. So in order to get a true measurement of the impact of air-con on perfromance youd need to factor that in too.

Your brain needs to do even more thinking!!

 

[paddymph]

errr, rich its 9am, i cant handle such questions.........

 

[RobFenn]

I have a 75bhp Clio with Climate. In this car youd think it would make a difference as every bit of power is needed, however, it doesnt make any difference at all, ive done numerous top speed runs, tested it on urban and fast routes and theres zilch in it.

The thing to investigate is if the Cup then gets the 172 ECU because that would mean you cant get the Rsport upgrade (i think).

-Rob

 

[RobFenn]

oops you said the last bit, i should read the question fully in future

 

[telford_mike]

Quote: Originally posted by RobFenn on 12 June 2003


I have a 75bhp Clio with Climate. In this car youd think it would make a difference as every bit of power is needed, however, it doesnt make any difference at all, ive done numerous top speed runs, tested it on urban and fast routes and theres zilch in it.

The thing to investigate is if the Cup then gets the 172 ECU because that would mean you cant get the Rsport upgrade (i think).

-Rob

Yeah, I find the same actually. But the fact remains, it *must* consume some power Probably quite a lot too, or they would use an electric compressor.

 

[paddymph]

turn it off?

 

[RobFenn]

Well maybe its just a clever bit of kit? Does anyone know how it all works? Does it constantly use the same amount of power or will it fluctuate according to how much air you want blowing into the cabin?

I still find it pointless that the Cup has air con as an option, goes against what its meant to be, ABS should be the option, it would way around 15kg and would stop a lot of accidents.

-Rob

 

[Chad]

doesnt it still reduce the power when its turned off???

 

[paddymph]

yeah for once id agree with Rob!

ABS would attract more UK drivers at least.

 

[RobFenn]

Up to about a month ago i really wanted a Cup but after seeing loads in scrapyards im wondering if a normal 172 is the way to go..

 

[Chad]

TBH Ive only needed my abs once since Ive had the car but its only three months I suppose *touches some wood*



But then again there alaways that mailto:tw@t">tw@t that looks straight at you, sees your going a bit quick and so decides to pull out in front of you.

 

[Chris n nic]

To be honest, we all think ABS is a good thing but quite a lot of older fast cars dont have ABS. My five turbo was rapid but I wasnt driving it around worrying about my old brakes. I know that ABS is a much safer option but weve been driving without for years and never bothered.*climbs of soapbox*

 

[Frosty]

Most Japanese cars with air conditioning have inteligent ECUs. Under full load, the car will shut off the air conditioning, and resume it once the throttle has been lifted again.

Perhaps Renault have adpoted a system like this?

Does anyone know the work involved in having climate control fitted on a 2002 Cup, or do you think itll be more trouble than its worth with all the extra parts to be fitted?

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Chris nnic on 12 June 2003


To be honest, we all think ABS is a good thing but quite a lot of older fast cars dont have ABS. My five turbo was rapid but I wasnt driving it around worrying about my old brakes. I know that ABS is a much safer option but weve been driving without for years and never bothered.*climbs of soapbox*

Same here...

Ive still got an R5 GTT that can run about 180bhp on full boost and weighs 830kg, so that is a f*cking quick car, but no ABS and Ive never had a problem.

My 106 GTi was the first car to have ABS and the 306 Rallye has it too, but I wouldnt not buy a Cup for the lack of ABS.

As long as you have "good" brakes & tyres (a factor often overlooked) then you can stop quickly & safely, but cars like the GFs Clio RT lock up sooo easily and that needs ABS in my opinion.

 

[BenR]

Quote: Originally posted by RobFenn on 12 June 2003


Well maybe its just a clever bit of kit? Does anyone know how it all works? Does it constantly use the same amount of power or will it fluctuate according to how much air you want blowing into the cabin?

I still find it pointless that the Cup has air con as an option, goes against what its meant to be, ABS should be the option, it would way around 15kg and would stop a lot of accidents.

-Rob

It is, climate control wont turn on even if on for the first few secs after you start the engine, it will turn off over 6000rpm to prevent over speeding, ti will turn off under heavy load, and itll turn off if the engine temp reaches 110 or 115 deg (i think).

 

[RobFenn]

Cool, so maybe it isnt complete sacrelige (sp?) to opt for it on the Cup then.

-Rob

 

[Rich-D]

Ok, so...

Do we have any idea how much extra the climate control weighs?!

Is the ECU different and can an R-Sport ECU still be used?!

 

[Gary Brown]

Sorry Rich, dunno m8.

Frosty - I asked my local dealer about retro-fitting climate to my 52 reg cup, and the mechanic went through all the parts that would be needed; condensor, radiator, compressor, wiring loom, control panel, and worked out a cost of about £1500 inc labour and VAT. Warned me that because the dash would need dismantling there would be a greater chance of squeaks and creaks. Ive gone off the idea somewhat now.

So it sounds like paying £650 for CC on a new cup is a good deal.

 

[johnnyho]

Ive just gone through the Renault brochure and climate isnt an option on the cup!!!!! I was gonna get a cup, only it wasnt practical and there isnt even air con, so i ended up with the 1.6 dynamique, saved a bit on the car and insurance too!!

 

[Cup172]

Sits such a new option may not have put it in the brochures yet

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Gary Brown on 12 June 2003


I asked my local dealer about retro-fitting climate to my 52 reg cup, and the mechanic went through all the parts that would be needed; condensor, radiator, compressor, wiring loom, control panel, and worked out a cost of about £1500 inc labour and VAT. Warned me that because the dash would need dismantling there would be a greater chance of squeaks and creaks. Ive gone off the idea somewhat now.

So it sounds like paying £650 for CC on a new cup is a good deal.

Yeah, for £650 it aint bad...


Will be slightly cheaper for me too, as I can get a percentage discount off the total cost as my mate is the sales manager.

Just worried about weight, potential power loss (due to driving the aircon) and the possible change of ECU.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Cup172 on 12 June 2003

Sits such a new option may not have put it in the brochures yet

Yeah, its a very recent addition, as is the option of silver paint, so probably not in the brochure (aint in the one I have), but if you go to http://www.renault.co.uk/www.renault.co.uk and configure a new Clio Cup, those two options are definately available...

 

[jon_r]

Just got a brochure + price list this evening from mate who is a reno salesman, flicking through them now, climate nor the silver paint on there, though they are a definate option. Ordering mine July, will have the climate though dont fink ill go for the silver.

 

[Rich-D]

Anyone seen a silver Cup in the flesh yet?!

 

[Frosty]

Quote: Originally posted by Gary Brown on 12 June 2003


Sorry Rich, dunno m8.

Frosty - I asked my local dealer about retro-fitting climate to my 52 reg cup, and the mechanic went through all the parts that would be needed; condensor, radiator, compressor, wiring loom, control panel, and worked out a cost of about £1500 inc labour and VAT. Warned me that because the dash would need dismantling there would be a greater chance of squeaks and creaks. Ive gone off the idea somewhat now.

So it sounds like paying £650 for CC on a new cup is a good deal.

£1500 is a bit much I think - If it was £650 I might be interested. Not to worry - cheers mate.

 

[pennga]

at the end of the day do we really need abs, its not as though we live in a hot country, just open the windae and save cash. Maybe its just scotland thats cold all the time, but i dinna really think its necessary to be honest. I personally dont even use my sunroof much

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by garyross on 13 June 2003

at the end of the day do we really need abs, its not as though we live in a hot country, just open the windae and save cash

Im sure you "meant" climate control (aircon) there mate and not ABS...