Do you think Renault will end up putting a turbo back in their hot hatches?

[172boost]

As above, seems like the other manufacturers are going the turbo route?

 

[gazcaddy]

They already have in the 225 and I reckon that engine could make its way in to the 197 at the end of the Megane 225 life.

 

[172boost]

They already have in the 225 and I reckon that engine could make its way in to the 197 at the end of the Megane 225 life.

Yeah sorry I meant the clio really, be great to see a new 5 turbo.

 

[clio__chris]

id love to see it although to be like a 5 turbo it would need to be done to the new twingo

197's far too heavy to be as much fun as a 5

 

[cupholder]

the new twingo out end of the year, will have a 1.2 turbo petrol to start with
and will be the new lightweight renault go kart i do have a moc up piccy but cant post it because im not a member im looking forward to seeing it in the flesh

 

[alexbleubolt]

maybe they will put it in the new camparse

 

[DrR]

Says a turbo clio is on the way on the TopGear website.

 

[cupholder]

the clio 2 is only available untill the twingo arrives

 

[172boost]

Says a turbo clio is on the way on the TopGear website.

Yum Yum Yum Yum

 

[cupholder]

if you want to see it just google new twingo and look for the 182 anthracite wheels

 

[gaz44]

Yeah, I can see turbo's going into the Clio. With all cars getting heavier due to safety, and the 'bar' being raised each time a hot hatch is released, (power wise) I reckon the Clio will need it. Look at VXR, VW, Mini. All turbo.

 

[172boost]

Yeah, I can see turbo's going into the Clio. With all cars getting heavier due to safety, and the 'bar' being raised each time a hot hatch is released, (power wise) I reckon the Clio will need it. Look at VXR, VW, Mini. All turbo.

Yeah your right I think and that is what I was trying to get at. Turbo is what it's all about. I'm going jap for my next car if renault don't stick a turbo in there next clio.

 

[clioruss]

the clio 2 is still for sale though cos it is still outsellingthe clio 3 as it is a better car than the new chieftan tank

 

[gazcaddy]

the clio 2 is still for sale though cos it is still outsellingthe clio 3 as it is a better car than the new chieftan tank

The new clio is a far superior car to the old one, the reason Renault are still selling the old one is because the new ones price is more expensive so they have used the old model as the entry level (they obviously didnt want to miss out on sales, unitl the twingo arrives)

 

[cupholder]

twingo replaces it at the end of the year thats the only reason why it's still in production, i work for renault and we sell plenty of clio 3's

 

[gazcaddy]

If Renault announced the 197 would have the 225 engine in it, and was going to be 17-17.5k, how many people on here would buy one?

I certainly would and I reckon loads of others would as well

PS I am more than aware that this isnt going to happen at the moment, I think the best chance of this happening is when they end production of the current megane. Lets hope so as I think this would make the new Renaultsport Clio awesome

 

[cupholder]

very true i would have 1 i did chew on a 197 on ff scheme also the meg 2 but
the 182 made the most sense in the end financially/fun

 

[172boost]

That twingo looks as pants as the old one. Surely they wont use that as a replacement for the clio???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[cupholder]

its a replacement to the clio 2 not the clio 3

 

[vavazoom]

i dont! will make them even harder to insure for young plp like us 10 years down the line!:dapprove:

 

[172boost]

I don't get it, surely the clio 3 is a replacement for the clio 2?

 

[cupholder]

yep true but is much larger so they fill the gap with the clio 2 then replace the clio 2 with the new twingo

 

[Tom]

The next gen clio (4) will have to have a range of turbo engines.

Its the only way to get anywhere near the new EU target of 130g/km
The clio gets the 1.2 TCE engine soon, theres a rumoured 1.4 version in the works.

 

[cupholder]

ps most new cars are bigger than there predecessor a disease which needs to stop imo

 

[RichRSi]

Good topic!!
I've often wonderd this too. I think with the increase in tax etc the future is small lightweight cars with small turbocharged engines that are geared to be quick up to 60 and very economical.

 

[jiminy]

hopefully not, i like my cars normally aspirated

plus i consider i stupidity to spend 18k on a renault when the golf will always be a better car

 

[Alex_225]

Due to the Clio 3 being that much bigger they'ver kept making the Clio 2 to fill the gap in the market for a smaller hatch. The Twingo will fill that gap when that comes out.

The same way that Renault brought out the Clio in 1991 but kept the 5 in production until 1995.

The Twingo could be the next thing in hot hatches though, if its got a 1.2 turbo with say, 110bhp and no weight then its gonna be fun. As soon as a re-map or ship comes out for that which will push it too 130-140bhp, it'll be awesome!!

The Golf may be better built but its still lardy and slow compared to the competition. If you want a hot hatch to last you 100,000 miles and ten years then go for the Golf but anyone who wants one for 3-4 years, the 225/ST/VXR is a better bet IMO.

 

[edde]

If Renault announced the 197 would have the 225 engine in it, and was going to be 17-17.5k, how many people on here would buy one?

I certainly would and I reckon loads of others would as well

It wouldn't sell well or profitable for the market it would take megan sales and for less you can buy a Suburu 4x4 WRX

 

[nath17t]

hope so we need something french and turbocharged:evil:

 

[dangerous dave]

car makers are already doing it as a tax dodge with smaller engined cars with turbos bolted to them, its not a new idea.. if the taxing is changed it may decide for car makers what they will do.. if they increase the gap between 1-2-3L car i'd say yes, if they go 4 pay as you go road tax charging more for larger engine sizes, yes again..

 

[MATT BLACK]

Renault had a lot of warranty problems with the Renault 5 GT Turbo - the amount that came back for work cost them quite a few ££££. The same is happening with the 1.9 DCi and 1.5 DCi engines there producing - turbo's blowing left right and centre and costing them a lot of money ( mostly engine re-builds )

It would be nice if they started to produce turbo powered petrol cars in mass production but due to previous problems i dont think they will. They have also tightened up their warranty procedure so its virtually impossible to put a claim in because their policy is so strict. I think they can cope with the 225 as its quite de-tuned in standard trim and theres not a lot of them about.

I put it down to poor quality materials used building the engines and bad design - we know as weve rebuilt loads of them.

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Renault had a lot of warranty problems with the Renault 5 GT Turbo - the amount that came back for work cost them quite a few ££££. The same is happening with the 1.9 DCi and 1.5 DCi engines there producing - turbo's blowing left right and centre and costing them a lot of money ( mostly engine re-builds )

I've not heard a case of the 1.5dci going, I don't know that many people with Renaults, but I was always under the impression it's pretty reliable.

Either way, you're right about the warranty thing, they wouldn't replace the boot shocks on my car because they said it's wear and tear... Wasn't having any of it and the manager got it sorted in the end but you shouldn't have to deal with that.

Main reason I wouldn't buy another Renault (unless I bought it without warranty to modify).

 

[Munchkin]

In the end turbos have a limited life span and as warranties seem to be getting longer due to consumer demand I don't think Renault would want lots of "gas pedal happy" people returning their clios at 40k to 50k miles for new turbos to be fitted - NA is the way forward for me!

 

[gaz44]

hopefully not, i like my cars normally aspirated

plus i consider i stupidity to spend 18k on a renault when the golf will always be a better car

Depends what you are looking for in that type of car. New Megane is a much better driver's car, a lot faster and is now quite a nice package. The build quality in the new Renaults are a lot better so I think there is a good arguement against the Golf. Clio should be able to achieve this status.

 

[gazcaddy]

In the end turbos have a limited life span and as warranties seem to be getting longer due to consumer demand I don't think Renault would want lots of "gas pedal happy" people returning their clios at 40k to 50k miles for new turbos to be fitted - NA is the way forward for me!

How come other manufacturers are turboing their cars?

 

[gazcaddy]

If Renault announced the 197 would have the 225 engine in it, and was going to be 17-17.5k, how many people on here would buy one?

I certainly would and I reckon loads of others would as well

It wouldn't sell well or profitable for the market it would take megan sales and for less you can buy a Suburu 4x4 WRX

Surely it couldnt sell any worse than the 197, obviosuly they wouldnt do it until the current megane had been discontinued as for buying a WRX instead, i certainly wouldnt

 

[Munchkin]

If a lot of us had turbo RenaultSports would we leave them as standard? or would we sneakily attach an EBV or PRV to boost it and then remove them when we had to take them back to Renault?

NA cars are just a safer bet in the long term for manufacturers with regards to reliability - look at Honda as a prime example

You could argue that Subarus are turbo cars with good reliability but most Scooby owners know that the clock is ticking on their turbos!

 

[gazcaddy]

vauxhall, ford, vw, audi, seat, peugeot, mini all have hot hatches with turbo enignes, if warranty claims were such a problem then they wouldnt do it. Renault have already put a turbo in the 225 so I dont belive for one minute reliability is the reason they dont put one on the 197

 

[Munchkin]

I personally wouldn't want a turbo version. I've had lots of performance turbo cars before - standard and mod'd - and I find NA cars much more user friendly and less likely to fail - personal experince only!

 

[Alex_225]

Reliability wise I don't think this would be the reason why they haven't done turbos so much.

On MeganeSport.net there is only one possible case of a failed turbo, not heard of any more through there and there have been about 1500 phase 1s sold however many phase 2s have been sold.

Turbo technology has moved on a lot since the R5GTT what with electronic turbo timers and the fact that the engines are actually under-tuned. Look at how many 1.8Ts VW made for their VWs, Audis, Seats and Skodas? You can't tell me that the drivers of those cars all know to let the turbo cool down and not rag it from cold??? Yet they're solid as hell. Renault should* be able to match that.

*should being the word though!!