Double clutching in the clio

[lusty v-tec]

Ive been having a go over the weekend a couble clutching when changing gear and wondered if im doing it right?

Basically change from 2nd to 3rd at 4k then when the clutch is depressed blip the throttle and get revs up to 4k then relase clutch to activate 3rd gear.

Is this right? Is double clutching supposed to improve the life of the clutch or to make gear changes quicker etc??

thanks

 

[Cookie]

Why would you double clutch in a car with synchros in the 'box?

 

[Mike_182]

It's not needed on the road, and much less in your motor with the way you drive dude...

It'll just slow you down.

 

[Djw John]

Its certainly not needed on the way up the gears anyway!

 

[y0z2a]

markcup has a video on youtube...

apparently it is part of the IAM box-a-tricks. You get a double-de-clutch gearbox free when you sign up ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5zq0Jkpoo

/y0z

 

[trailerparktrev]

I think Lusty's been watching his fast and the furious dvd collection over the weekend.

 

[lusty v-tec]

It does seem to take a bit of mastering. I heard vin diesel on fast and furious talking about double clutching and therefore thought its something I should be doing.

 

[Mike_182]

It does seem to take a bit of mastering. I heard vin diesel on fast and furious talking about double clutching and therefore thought its something I should be doing.

Fast and the Furious is so terribly incorrect when you analyse the 'driving' in it.

Most of it involves the nitrous, including:

The only way you can use nitrous 'too soon', is if it causes you to break traction.

They seem to show you can only use a bottle on one run before filling, which if this was the case with the bottles they were using then they'd be going a shitload faster.

The noise the cars make/time they spend hard on the gas isn't relative to the speed they'd be doing - I know for a fact that my mate's RX7 would be doing near double some of the speeds shown if he kept his foot in it for as long as they do in the film, and his is 'only' 300-odd bhp.

Etc, etc...

 

[lusty v-tec]

and the stupid fake flames from the exhausts. NO car releases massive long blue flames like it showed in fast 2.

Also in the second one where o'conner in the evo is driving about 80mph then spins round and starts reversing at the same speed. haha!! how stupidly fake is that??

 

[TheJesus]

"I live my life a quarter mile at a time!"

Lusty - stop watching F&F, the only useful things you dont actually need to learn in a clio but may prove helpful are heel and toe for saving your gearbox's lifespan and possibly left foot breaking... again, not really required.

 

[Mike_182]

and the stupid fake flames from the exhausts. NO car releases massive long blue flames like it showed in fast 2.

Also in the second one where o'conner in the evo is driving about 80mph then spins round and starts reversing at the same speed. haha!! how stupidly fake is that??

Actually... My mate's old 1.7 Fiesta made some cracking flames!

But yes, unless you've really really fettled with the drivetrain then you won't hit 80 in reverse in any car... Unless it's a 2-stroke and you bump start it backwards...

 

[seb]

this thread is beyond.

 

[TheJesus]

this thread is beyond.

Clio Sport is the best car focused forum in the world

 

[lusty v-tec]

this thread is beyond.

beyond what?

 

[Englebert]

What you seem to be describing is heel and toe. This is matching the revs as you are going down the gearbox.

It is good for your gearbox and results in a smoother change. In a RWD it eliminates the risk of locking up the rear whilst braking and downchanging.

 

[TheJesus]

this thread is beyond.

beyond what?

beyond the parameters of reality and normal thinking I'd say

 

[lusty v-tec]

What you seem to be describing is heel and toe. This is matching the revs for the next gear downwards.

It is good for your gearbox and results in a smoother change. In a RWD it eliminates the risk of locking up the rear.

so does that mean it will make my 1.2 faster?

 

[TheJesus]

What you seem to be describing is heel and toe. This is matching the revs as you are going down the gearbox.

It is good for your gearbox and results in a smoother change. In a RWD it eliminates the risk of locking up the rear whilst braking and downchanging.

He's talking about changing up gears though, good for doubling the time it takes to change gear though lol

 

[lusty v-tec]

beyond what?

beyond the parameters of reality and normal thinking I'd say

seb's just an old grump!!

 

[seb]

lol! TheJesus is close but has not got the true meaning of 'beyond' lol!

 

[Mike_182]

What you seem to be describing is heel and toe. This is matching the revs as you are going down the gearbox.

It is good for your gearbox and results in a smoother change. In a RWD it eliminates the risk of locking up the rear whilst braking and downchanging.

Similar practise I use to when I'm riding my bike, although it's slightly different because I use my hand for throttle, and never mind locking the rear wheels up but a twin will launch you over the bars if you get a change wrong...

 

[lusty v-tec]

lol! TheJesus is close but has not got the true meaning of 'beyond' lol!

The mad horse of catastophic insanity is never more than a paddock away.

 

[moogster_1]

i was always under the impression that double de cluch was for old cars that did not have sycro mesh for the gears.

but anyway the real skill is in cluchless gear changes, getting the revs of your engine to match exactly the rotation of the wheels. this is pretty hard to master at high speeds as you do tend to grind a little if you dong get it right, but if you do it like having triptronic gear box. very quick.


give that a bash instead. going up is easyer than coming down the gears i find.

 

[TheJesus]

beyond the parameters of reality and normal thinking I'd say

seb's just an old grump!!

oi, we love the Seb thank you!

Seb - how about delving into the realms of pure fantasy, would that be more fitting? lol

edit: dont listen to the post above unless you want a gearbox re-build price... that's the sorta thing you practise in a courtesy car!

 

[sharkaroo]

Surely if your going up the gears you wouldnt need to mess about double clutching, it wastes time and obviously theres no drive to the wheels when youve got the clutch in. going down the gears makes sence to do it though, as it does stress the engine less than pure engine braking.

 

[moogster_1]

seb's just an old grump!!

oi, we love the Seb thank you!

Seb - how about delving into the realms of pure fantasy, would that be more fitting? lol

edit: dont listen to the post above unless you want a gearbox re-build price... that's the sorta thing you practise in a courtesy car!

practice aye, but if you master it your sorted. it is how old racing drivers used to do it.

 

[lusty v-tec]

one more question:

If you are in say 2nd gear with the revs at about 4500 and your letting the speed drop gradually by not touching the throttle:

Are you using no fuel? I heard that modern engines dont use any fuel if gear is activated and you dont touch the throttle

 

[Mike_182]

edit: dont listen to the post above unless you want a gearbox re-build price... that's the sorta thing you practise in a courtesy car!

Or on a motorcycle... It's fun on them! Stand up wheelies

Again, preferable to have a quickshifter with it, then you can do full-throttle clutchless changes :evil:

 

[Mike_182]

If you are in say 2nd gear with the revs at about 4500 and your letting the speed drop gradually by not touching the throttle:

Are you using no fuel? I heard that modern engines dont use any fuel if gear is activated and you dont touch the throttle

Did you learn to drive on TV?

 

[John D]

one more question:

If you are in say 2nd gear with the revs at about 4500 and your letting the speed drop gradually by not touching the throttle:

Are you using no fuel? I heard that modern engines dont use any fuel if gear is activated and you dont touch the throttle

Yes

 

[lusty v-tec]

If you are in say 2nd gear with the revs at about 4500 and your letting the speed drop gradually by not touching the throttle:

Are you using no fuel? I heard that modern engines dont use any fuel if gear is activated and you dont touch the throttle

Did you learn to drive on TV?

no. why? lol

 

[TheJesus]

oi, we love the Seb thank you!

Seb - how about delving into the realms of pure fantasy, would that be more fitting? lol

edit: dont listen to the post above unless you want a gearbox re-build price... that's the sorta thing you practise in a courtesy car!

practice aye, but if you master it your sorted. it is how old racing drivers used to do it.

erm, yeah I suppose so, but I dont think it's really necessary for a teenage driver to learn how to shift up gears without the clutch in his 1.2 and you can change just as fast with a clutch using a normal gearbox pattern I'd think... besides, shaving 0.1 seconds of a 12 second 0-60 isn't worth killing a gearbox lol

 

[al]

this thread is beyond.

beyond what?

Ex mods

 

[Englebert]

He's talking about changing up gears though, good for doubling the time it takes to change gear though lol

He is? Where?

 

[Neil G]

Enlighten us Seb with the definition of 'beyond' in terms of this thread.

 

[TheJesus]

He's talking about changing up gears though, good for doubling the time it takes to change gear though lol

He is? Where?

his first post dude... says changing up from 2nd to 3rd...

I think Lusty deserves a Darwin award anyway, this thread is next level...

 

[Englebert]

Well spank me silly and call me Jane. Looks like i got owned.

 

[lusty v-tec]

Well spank me silly and call me Jane. Looks like i got owned.

 

[John D]

Yes Lusty, but your beyond that ^^

 

[lusty v-tec]

Yes Lusty, but your beyond that ^^

I wish I was the bull fighter in that pic.

lol