End of the TT

[Limca]

it shall be missed.

 

[Fred@BTM]

gayboy

 

[Limca]

^ lol

 

[RobHardyUK]

Rip Ctt

 

[jimbo182]

Sad that I never got to see it in action. If not the Ibiza, how about a Cordoba 3 door? Again a bit different, subtle and fairly cheap. Plus the exclusivity???
Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[MATT BLACK]

If there are any susupension / handling specialists out there that want to take the car to see if they can do anything they can ( yoz / fred any contacts ?? )

 

[theduck]

you thinking of putting some more money into sorting the clio then???

 

[Leeshez]

It makes sense and it is an end of an era.

 

[MATT BLACK]

Just want to get the problem sorted and fitting the engine in a car it was designed to go in seems the right way forward. Imagine doing 120mph in a straight line and then someone grabs the steering wheel and yanks it to the left really hard - this is what is happening 2 or 3 times when you accelerate in a straight line

 

[damon]

I know someone with a 400bhp (with gas on) fiesta but he doesnt get much torque steer because the setup was tweaked alot. I asked him about it when i heard how much power it was producing! He mentioned something about custom lower arms and having all the geometry sorted out by a suspension guy. Thing is though, you said yours is a drive train problem so i dont think its the same... guessing though as i dont know the first thing about that kinda job!

 

[Joe@ShedMotorsport]

It might have one already, but have you thought about running an intermediate bearing on the longest drive shaft? That way the effective length would be the same and you'd be able to equalise the angles.

I know a lot of V-dubs just run different thickness shafts but not sure about the 1.8t's.

 

[Adam]

ahh well..........
the engine will be back with avengeance soon

 

[dannyboy172]

Sad day!

Look forward to the next beast!

Keep that colour....love that mat black finish!

 

[Fred@BTM]

we can have a look at it mate

at the end of the day your main problem is the FK's, they're not intended for 400bhp clios

also are you still running those welded up driveshafts?

 

[MAXIBOY]

can you not use out board joints like the clio uses

 

[MATT BLACK]

You can have it for a few weeks to see if you can do anything - its still got the FKS' but they are fine on jordies car ?? the drive shafts are welded up and come out of the box at stupid angles - i think this is the problem

 

[Joe@ShedMotorsport]

Do you have any pics of the shafts coming out of the box?

 

[MATT BLACK]

This is a very crude diagram of the way the shafts come out of the gearbox, but its very accurate

 

[Fred@BTM]

yeah but matt you have to remember the clio wasn't designed to have a TT engine, and the FK's wern't designed to carry TT engine (although i doubt there's much weight difference between a TT engine and a 172 engine?)

have you tried adjusting the ride height to improve the angle of the driveshafts


proper custom shafts are available from GKN motorsport (which is what i'm using) for about £170 each, they make them to fit your car

 

[Fred@BTM]

is that a birds eye view? or a front view?

 

[MATT BLACK]

http://hostingprod.com/@aa1car.com/library/steerpul.htm

 

[bradfincham]

Matt the only real way to go with it would be to spaceframe the rear out and drop it in there.

I would suggest a mk1/mk2 golf and do this rear engined rear wheel drive

 

[MATT BLACK]

is that a birds eye view? or a front view?

Thats a view of the set up from behind the car

 

[bradfincham]

unequal shafts arent too much bother its the angles really where your problem is

My corsa - 2ltr 16v conversion i used the original astra shafts and machined the corsa hubs out to fit them

the shafts were different lengths but the angles were the same, i know of 350bhp corsa C20LETS with the same setup and they get a little torque steer but nothing crazy

 

[MATT BLACK]

Im wanting to keep it in the clio if possible - if i dont get anywere i will V-dub the lump. Im open to ideas and suggestions lads

 

[bradfincham]

at the moment its Front engined an front wheel drive?

 

[MATT BLACK]

unequal shafts arent too much bother its the angles really where your problem is

My corsa - 2ltr 16v conversion i used the original astra shafts and machined the corsa hubs out to fit them

the shafts were different lengths but the angles were the same, i know of 350bhp corsa C20LETS with the same setup and they get a little torque steer but nothing crazy

Thing is the red top is a vauxhall lump and fits nice and smug in the corsa hole. Ive had to cut my n/s chassis leg out and strengthen the surround just so the n/s shaft will fit. There is a constant wobble as your driving in a straight line.

 

[MATT BLACK]

at the moment its Front engined an front wheel drive?

Yes mate - 400hp + / FWD / Golf GT tdi 6 speed box / LSD

 

[al]

How about slapping a TT front end/subframe thing in?
(I know nothing about this, but i'm "brainstorming" lol)

 

[bradfincham]

Thing is the red top is a vauxhall lump and fitsnice and smug in the corsa hole. Ive had to cut my n/s chassis leg out and strengthen the surround just so the n/s shaft will fit. There is a constant wobble as your driving in a straight line.

Yeh i totally understand that matt im just giving an example of high powered engines in the wrong chassis without torque steer.

Thought about RWD ??
Get a ford type 9 box, bellhousing made up, can use the sierra diff unit with different ratios!

Wouldnt be a total ballache, lots of fabricating parts and cutting out a tunnel for the propshaft, cut rear end out and spaceframe part for the diff to sit on! Use sierra rear hubs so the shafts fit straight in!

Would be a great project, lots of thinking!!

 

[Mattieuk]

Mr M. Black = Legend

 

[edde]

Matt how would fiting the engine in a VW shell make the car easier to deal with? Just thinking can you not have the CLio front end modified to be more VW like as such?

How badly cut away is the chassis, any pictures?

What aout selling the project and making a twin engined 172? surly it would be similar speeds even with more weight due to 4 wheel drive.Then 50 Hp Nos etc would be better.
Looking at the picture i take it lowering the engine more would help in which case why not run bigger wheels to lift the car a bit so you can lower the engine?

 

[edde]

Does the LSD work?

 

[manicmonkey]

Its a pity your taking the engine out of the clio, but im sure the next car you stick it in will be just as great! Just need to decide.... hmmm.....

How about a seat ibiza mk1, its a very rare car these days, but its based on the mk1 golf, so should be cheap and easy to mod. The two on the back left of this pic are the ph1 and ph2... http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/classics/S/seat/03-large/seat-ibiza-5gen.jpg

Some more pics here...
http://carpictures.duble.com/SEAT/Ibiza%20(1999-2001)/1.jpg
http://members.lycos.nl/taz1985/hpbimg/Seat%20ibiza%201.2%20GL%20Crono.jpg
http://www.carsurvey.org/images/seat_ibiza_1.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/734000-734999/734771_1.jpg just like my first car
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/ibiza1.jpg
http://www.tar.hu/tibiota/ibiza.htm
http://www.mercadolibre.cl/jm/img?s=MLC&f=4001603_5326.jpg&v=P

Or a seicento
Or a rav 4
Or a random http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FANTASTIC-NISSAN-FIGARO-IN-RARE-BEIGE-RELUCTANT-SALE_W0QQitemZ4645575813QQcategoryZ18238QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem lol
fuckin black cab!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LONDON-BLACK-CAB_W0QQitemZ4644173637QQcategoryZ18308QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

ive gone on a bit...

 

[Fred@BTM]

Reyland are sticking a TT engine into a rover 25 BTW MATT

 

[bradfincham]

Reyland are sticking a TT engine into a rover 25 BTW MATT

Yeh Martin told me about this, the pictures are pretty impressive as well

its an old rover tarmac rally car they bought from the MG XPower auction is it not?

 

[Fred@BTM]

yep thats correct

i can't think of a worse chassis to put an engine like that into!

 

[Joe@ShedMotorsport]

It sounds like your best off finding some way to run the arrangement that my 205 and many other pugs/citroens use. The longest shaft is in two sections, one section is identical to the other shaft, the other section is a plain shaft that slots into the gear box. This long plain shaft is supported by a bearing in a bracket thats bolted to the engine block. So the result is that the effective length and angles is the same.

I'll try and find a pic somewhere

 

[Fred@BTM]

as per the 172/182/megane RS

 

[p3rcy1]

the 1.8t fits in the lupo without a problem
http://www.jbsautodesigns.co.uk/lupo.htm

that company is near my house and one of my mates works there lol but yeah they do fit into the lupo