engine swop

[regi james]

i would like to swop my f4r 738 engine in my 182 for a 1.5 dci of some description does anyone know if this is possible/ economically viable? and what modifications would need doing

 

[Bluebeard]

Rediculous and pointless.

Why not just spend £2k on a Clio DCI?! :S

 

[James.f]

Yes it is possible but it will need alot of work, not sure wether the running gear from a 182 will work on a 1.5dci tho,

Can i ask why you are thinking ov doing it? could be easier to sell the 182 and buy a 1.5dci

 

[regi james]

i like the looks of the 182 but its getting to expensive to run, can't afford to change it

 

[Bluebeard]

Sell 182 for £4500, buy dci for £2000. What bit of that can't you afford?!

 

[Martin_172]

you cant afford to run it but you can afford the £3k+ bill to convert it?

ill quite happily put a 2.0 16v in a non RS car for someone if they wanted me to but convert something to a dci, thats asking for trouble i wouldnt touch it!

 

[regi james]

finance owing is £7000 can only get 5k on trade in so i would loose 2k, if i can get a diesel engine fitted for less than that then it would be better for me as i would keep the car for a good few years

 

[Martin_172]

sell for 5k at least, buy dci for 2k at max, get it in pearl black and get a 172 kit for it for £500 all in

 

[Dave..]

So why didn't you buy a diesel in the first place?

 

[Gumby]

finance owing is £7000 can only get 5k on trade in so i would loose 2k, if i can get a diesel engine fitted for less than that then it would be better for me as i would keep the car for a good few years

That makes no sense whatsoever. Even with that badly thought out explanation.

You owe £7,000 on a car that costs on average 13.6p per mile
You want to spend £3,000 to convert it to a car that costs 9.4p per mile
You would have to to 66,600 miles to break even!

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you want to put yourself £3,000 further in debt?

I'm also betting that the finance agreement wouldn't allow you to do that...

Buying a car you can't afford FTL

 

[regi james]

i drove the 182 and had to have it, so brought it without thinking

 

[regi james]

You owe £7,000 on a car that costs on average 13.6p per mile

how did u work out the 13.6p per mile? mine is currently doing 33mpg and i don't drive it hard

 

[JCC]

This makes zero sense.

 

[Martin_172]

ok so converting to diesel apart from the cost involoved will half your fuel bills but you wont benefit from the £35 a year road tax or cheap insurance?

ive read some s**t on this forum but never this bad

 

[Gumby]

how did u work out the 13.6p per mile? mine is currently doing 33mpg and i don't drive it hard

38.5 mpg was what I used.

33mpg is about 15.8p per mile (at 115p/l)- in which case you would still have to do 47000 miles to break even. Pointless, it really is.

 

[Dave..]

This makes zero sense.

We're into negative figures here I think...

 

[Bazzon]

Right....nothing much to say. But to echo the above.

It makes no sense! How ever you state it.

Trade it in Get a DCI.

If you must have the 182 look, Make a REP out of the DCI, but thats pissing more money away.

 

[Bluebeard]

Do this.

You owe £7,000 on the clio.

You trade it in for £5,000 part ex

You buy a Clio dci from a dealer for £3,000.

So you'd have £5k on finance, (3k clio, 2k neg eq) but be paying £35 a year road tax, doing nearly double the mpg and probably halve your insurance costs.

 

[clio_luke]

oh dear. can you not afford to run the 182 at all then?? doing an engine conversion to save money is not possible imo, its just rediculous! you would have to spend a lot of money converting it and running it wou't be that much cheaper tbh. you would be better off catching the bus more often, cycling etc. or changing your wheels to 15" and running budget tyres, and just being very concious of fuel/how you drive. besides you cant go and ruin a 182 with a dci engine!! could the finance review the plan and make the payments lees for a longer period of time?
should have tought much harder about the commitments of finance tbh, unless you have been hit by the credit crunch and lost your job etc... then i do feel sorry for you.

 

[regi james]

i suppose when you factor in that the tax will still be band j and the insurance will probably go up because its modified its not a good idea. i will be half way through my finance in april and according to docs i can give the car back???

 

[brakesy]

ok so converting to diesel apart from the cost involoved will half your fuel bills but you wont benefit from the £35 a year road tax or cheap insurance?

ive read some s**t on this forum but never this bad

i agree with this chap can we ban u from opening ur mouth again! lol

 

[Bluebeard]

i suppose when you factor in that the tax will still be band j and the insurance will probably go up because its modified its not a good idea. i will be half way through my finance in april and according to docs i can give the car back???

You can, but go careful. Some finance companies can mark it against you, meaning you may struggle to get finance on a packet of Crisps in the future.

 

[Gaz_]

some people (shakes head)

 

[Alastair.]

lets get some
http://www.borev.net/coke.jpg

 

[Austin-182]

how much did you buy the car for if you still owe 7g now? or have you not had it for long?

 

[nick.]

Do this.

You owe £7,000 on the clio.

You trade it in for £5,000 part ex

You buy a Clio dci from a dealer for £3,000.

So you'd have £5k on finance, (3k clio, 2k neg eq) but be paying £35 a year road tax, doing nearly double the mpg and probably halve your insurance costs.

Daniel speaks sense. What ever you do dont give it back to pay your loan or as said it will be marked against you.
Its just a bit of expensive lesson to learn.

 

[mx1_champ]

i want a 182 engine and have a dci
you want a dci and have a 182 hmmm interesting .

dont think this has been mentioned yet but what about resale prices the value of your 182 will plumet to that of a dci replica . you will really struggle to sell the 182 afterwards i would imagine .

wasnt there a thread exactly the same as this one nearly a year back ?

 

[Scott S]

You can, but go careful. Some finance companies can mark it against you, meaning you may struggle to get finance on a packet of Crisps in the future.

Good point. I think it could theoretically be classed as 'defaulting' on the loan, as the company will not have received all money owed.

Might be marked as partial settlement, however, they may allow the remainder of the loan to continue without any security (doubtfull???).

I have no real idea about car finance, just thinking out loud really, never had any car finance and my background is in mortgages.

Could the car even be traded in? Would be best to read the finance documents. Sounds like a high APR to have 7k owed on a car valued at 5k.

The other thing to consider is the amount the finance company will be able to get for the car. Do they sell them at auctions? Surely that would make it less than £5k?

 

[Budgie]

Brilliant.

That's all.

 

[Bluebeard]

It can be trade in, no worries.

 

[Scott S]

It can be trade in, no worries.

Thanks, I wasn't sure. My m8 was asking about this the other night but I said I didn't know.

He has a hire purchase agreement on his Vectra and wants to sell it to get two smaller cars but wasn't sure about selling it on.

Is selling it on just as easy as trading it in? If the security for the loan is on the car then would the finance company go to the new owner for the car if they didn't get their money?

 

[Bluebeard]

The car goes back to a dealer. (Any dealer that offers finance)

The dealer then settles the loan.

A new agreement is then drawn up with the new car.

I'm so s**t at explaining stuff on a computer....

Lets say I have a Car worth £5,000 but I owe £4500 on finance and want to sell it and buy two cheaper cars instead.

I take my car along to dealer. He offers me £5,000 as a part exchange against two of his cars priced at £2500 each.

I then tell him its on HP and I need finance for the other two.

I The dealer then pays off my finance, and takes my car off me leaving them with £500 of my money (£5k less £4500)

That means the two cheaper cars I want to buy are £5000 together, less the £500 equity I had in the part exchange. Meaning I'm now driving two cheaper cars for the same price as my one car.

I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense. You wouldn't believe i did car finance for 7 years would you! lol.

 

[Scott S]

Thanks, that makes sense. Like I say, I really just haven't had any experence with car finance. Felt a bit embarrassed to ask but glad I did now.