Id just like to say much respect to Dash for acknowledging that the 1.2 16v is a reasonably nippy car. Any accusations of 172 smugness would clearly not apply to V6 owners in my book! Unfortunately the cause of the aforementioned smugness is partly self-inflicted, or at least invited, by 2fast4u and others who make silly claims about their cars. The way I see it, obviously the 1.2s in a different category from 172s etc. and it would be ridiculous to claim to be able to beat or even come anywhere near touching the performance of a car such as this. But in the sub £10k price band, and for running about town, I quite like my car. I find it a reasonably brisk little motor, it cruises quite well on m-way, and even for b-roads and twisties it handles quite well for a car thats not been designed with performance in mind. Im disappointed to read a couple of posts, mainly by a minority of 172 owners, such as Simon, as they seem to berate vehicles of a lesser calibre than his obvious beast of a car. Im sure in a different forum (Skyline or RX7 owners, for example) he might find a similar attitude being directed towards himself. But this is par for course as those are £50 grand sports cars. And please dont take that as an insult to 172 owners, its a great car which I myself hope to own one of in a couple of years time. But Id prefer to feel welcome on this forum as an owner of a vehicle called a Clio Sport, and not like the subject of ridicule for 172 owners.