General Clio RS tuning. at an end?

[Šįk]

So.. how come there isnt as many tuning options for the latest Clio RS's (197/200) there seems to be LOADS for the 1*2's and products are still coming out for them Mk2's (JMS's RS2 etc) but nothing really seems to be happening for the Mk3's! surely this is kinda a backwards step for the next few years for Ktec n JMS etc, its ok for now as the mk2's are populer as there cheap to buy but than will soon die down and the mk3's will be the new Mk2's 3years or so from now. i mean.. the last mk2 RS was obv the biblical 182trophy and thats 5years old already!!

am i making sense!?

or am i missing something? is there extensive research and prototypes going on for the Mk3 RS range..? if so its a very slow and undercover proccess.

Prime example, Ford FRS's. when the Mk1 FRS was out tuning parts were out withing a couple years.. and there basically already ontop with the Current FRS for tuning products.. ino its not NA which makes it alot easier for power gains but for ford it seems the tuners are all on the ball.. seems with the traders and tunners on here for Clio RS's there at an end with the mk2..s?

The mk3 RS Platform surely has plenty of potential to be better, especially with the 197. im sure theres plenty of MK3 thriving owners ready to make it what it could be performance wise like we can with the OLD MK2 RS.

living in the past maby?

discuss.

PSJ.

 

[DrR]

1*2s have only just (last year) had any what i;d call affordable options. So on that basis 197 won't have much for years.

 

[Magic Johnson]

If you take your mind back to when the 172/182's were released, there wasn't much available at all. Now look, 9/6 years down the line, mods all over the shop. Just a matter of time.

 

[JCC]

As above, think about it logically. It's taken this long for decent/reliable/affordable options to appear for the MK2, so it'll be the same for the MK3 models.

There are lots of options for the FRS' as you say because they are forced induction and easier to get good gains out of. The Clios being N/A means a lot more time has to be spent figuring out how to get a decent gain at a reasonable-ish cost.

 

[Šįk]

lol yea ino this but Y.. surely it should be happening quicker.. true?

they know the basics.. surely this should speed up the procces for the tuning options for the MK3's?

Example: even Matching inlets for the MK3's? that cant be hard or take years to devolope!? why isnt this an option? things like this would surely be benificial for them..

PSJ.

 

[Magic Johnson]

It's more like people spending all that money on a new car and voiding the warranty by modifying etc.

Now a lot of the early 197's are coming out of warranty, but they still cost a fair amount. Think about it, who wants to spend £8-9000 on a 197 then spend a further 3k modifying it? Wait until they're about £6-7000, then we'll see some serious development.

 

[ForceIndia]

Supply and demand, coupled with development costs. The engines are tricky to get decent gains from. There are plenty options where it counts (ie suspension/brakes).
Tuning na renault engines is generally a mugs game.

PSJ.

 

[marinemackay2003]

Also there are loads of companys out there that actually design/fabricate tuning parts for fords ect

How many Renault specialist actually do that

There ain't many so of takes longer again

 

[Šįk]

Now a lot of the early 197's are coming out of warranty, but they still cost a fair amount. Think about it, who wants to spend £8-9000 on a 197 then spend a further 3k modifying it? Wait until they're about £6-7000, then we'll see some serious development

exactly why there should be tuning products available already.. and when has spending £3k stopped anyone.. doesnt matter if its NA or not.. people still and will do it.

Supply and demand, coupled with development costs. The engines are tricky to get decent gains from. There are plenty options where it counts (ie suspension/brakes).
Tuning na renault engines is generally a mugs game.

PSJ

you do amuse me. the products being available will make demand.. knowing these parts are availible will make sales. yet there isnt any so ofcourse there will be not alot less demand.

Also there are loads of companys out there that actually design/fabricate tuning parts for fords ect

How many Renault specialist actually do that

There ain't many so of takes longer again

your right but there should be. Renaultsport has been the daddys of hot hatches the past few years now tbf and is even getting more and more reconised and populer..


Money is to be made..!

Brown Bear.
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[Magic Johnson]

Well you're 172 nowadays isn't much above 3 grand. 182's not much above 5.

197's are still well over 7, possibly 8.

 

[jenic]

It's more like people spending all that money on a new car and voiding the warranty by modifying etc.

Now a lot of the early 197's are coming out of warranty, but they still cost a fair amount. Think about it, who wants to spend £8-9000 on a 197 then spend a further 3k modifying it? Wait until they're about £6-7000, then we'll see some serious development.

This is pretty much what I was going to post.

 

[Brett]

I think part of the problem is Renault are also relitavely new to the hot hatch game they haven't had years of motorsport pedigree like ford have going back to cortinas etc. The fast fords have a huge international following and demand is huge for tuning products.

When the RS Clio eventually gets forced induction from the factory then I think tuning products will develop quicker due a greater gain to cost ratio.

 

[Munson]

I imagnine it's also partly due to Renaultsport being a bit of a niche market. Low user base means less returns on development costs. It's not soley down to the Clios being naturally aspirated. You only need to look at the Honda TypeR market to see that. Honda fans have masses of tuning parts to choose from. Put simply, there aren't many Renaultsport Clios around, hence there isn't much of a market for packages and parts.

 

[Šįk]

^^ these two answers make more sense.. which is fair enough..

i still think that the friendly tuning company's on here do need to start looking into the MK3's so products are ready for the wrath of 197/200 owners in 2-5years to come which will happen.

its fact tbh.

PSJ.

 

[JCC]

My answer makes perfect sense, it's a bit of a silly question, which you've just answered yourself in your last post.

 

[Munson]

The other thing is that they notoriously never make book figures anyway, so any packages for a reasonable price are only likely to increase the power to what it should be. It also doesn't help that BillyBob is only concerned about peak figures. He doesn't want to pay £1200 for 183bhp.

 

[Šįk]

JCC - i didnt say it didnt dude... i just said last 2 made More sense (more the answer i was looking for). dont take offence. also its hows it a stupid question!? im sure there Are 197/200 who want to tune there cars up more to what is offered at this time! so no i havent my own question.:clown:

PSJ.

 

[Brett]

The other thing is that they notoriously never make book figures anyway, so any packages for a reasonable price are only likely to increase the power to what it should be. It also doesn't help that BillyBob is only concerned about peak figures. He doesn't want to pay £1200 for 183bhp.

Spot on. Most hot hatch owners want to brag about their cars 0-60 and power figures and then occasionally race down a dual carriageway against another car. They aren't bothered about b-road blasts and going on track therefore they don't generally care about drivability, making the engine more flexible etc. The RS Clios really do require an enthusiast to own.

 

[JCC]

also its hows it a stupid question!? im sure there Are 197/200 who want to tune there cars up more to what is offered! so no i havent my own question.:clown:

PSJ.

I'm not offended, though it does sound that way now I read it back lol

I edited it as stupid was a bit harsh, but you have answered your own question. You said there will be a load of people in 2-5 years with 197s/200s who want more power, just like there are a load of people with 172/182s just now with enough cash spare to spend on getting decent gains. Which is why the tuners are concentrating more on the MK2s just now, and will worry about the MK3s later, when they are cheaper. As Brown Bear said, supply and demand.

 

[jenic]

How many 192/200's have been sold.

Lets take 197's since they have finished production, have they sold as many as 182's did? Since they both ran similar production times (infact the 197 had slightly longer). Judging by this forum i would say the 197 hasn't been as big a seller, whether thats due to not being very green, the shape, the start of the recession or just that new owners dont tend to use the forums and its a perception that will soon become untrue, 197's are getting more popular on here atm.

 

[ForceIndia]

I imagnine it's also partly due to Renaultsport being a bit of a niche market. Low user base means less returns on development costs. It's not soley down to the Clios being naturally aspirated. You only need to look at the Honda TypeR market to see that. Honda fans have masses of tuning parts to choose from. Put simply, there aren't many Renaultsport Clios around, hence there isn't much of a market for packages and parts.

Have to factor in the Honda engine's being relatively sophisticated, whereas the RS engine's are basic. Simple truth is, for the costs involved, there isn't the demand, end of. Just putting products on the market can't ensure demand.
Don't forget that it took a good while for parts to appear for the mk2's, it's only once they reach a certain price on the 2nd hand market that people begin seriously tinkering.

 

[realnumber 1]

I think part of the problem is Renault are also relitavely new to the hot hatch game they haven't had years of motorsport pedigree like ford have going back to cortinas etc. The fast fords have a huge international following and demand is huge for tuning products.

When the RS Clio eventually gets forced induction from the factory then I think tuning products will develop quicker due a greater gain to cost ratio.

I don't agree with that comment. Renault have been making Hot Hatches for 30 years or so now and they had the Alpine brand long before that as well as loads of other fast Renaults over the years such as the 21 turbo's and 19 16v's.

 

[daddycool]

simples, it's basic business. supply & demand. there isn't enough mk3 clio sports on the road for companies to warrant spending tons of cash developing products. my 2p.