Genuine Mileage

[C.slicker]

Hello,

I am currently looking into a clio Mk2 Ph2 with very low mileage (20k on the clock and its an 02 plate).

I know how easy it is to change the clocks on these and as the clock faces look scratched, which of course raises some questions.

The car is a Cat D so doesn't come with any service history.

Is there anyway I can verify the mileage is genuine?

Thank you

Sam

 

[Adamhodg]

HPi check iirc, or check its MOT's certificates?

 

[C.slicker]

It comes with no history at all.

HPI check doesn't bring up the last recorded mileage for some reason

When one fills out a logbook do you submit the mileage then?

Thanks

Sam

 

[Loki]

as a rule i wouldnt buy a car without history crashed or not just woulnt be happy in my mind

 

[Adamhodg]

no MOT's? :S
Does it not have an MOT now then?

 

[C.slicker]

as a rule i wouldnt buy a car without history crashed or not just woulnt be happy in my mind

I am at ease with buying a car like this and I have had two before.

I just would like to ensure the mileage is genuine.

Sam

 

[tidyclio]

I wouldn't let the milage stop me go and look at the car 20k is quite low so if it has done more and you have a keen eyes should not be hard to spot. The plastic on the front of the instruments panels does scratch easily anyway.
I'd be more worried about it being a cat d than the mileage.

 

[C.slicker]

no MOT's? :S
Does it not have an MOT now then?

It does have an MOT but there is no certificate :S

Sam

 

[Adamhodg]

It will have the mileage recorded then. When they've done my MOT's the mileage is noted on the certificate and surely can be checked on by VOSA?

 

[Josh@Renparts]

what is the damage to make it cat D just front end or rear?

 

[C.slicker]

Oh right ok, I'll VOSA a call then.

Does anyone know if you have to the mileage in on the logbook as well?

It was hit on the front wing. New wing, bumper, bump strip, wheel, ball joint, steering rack and lower arm.

I reckon it will cost around 300 to repair.

Sam

 

[Josh@Renparts]

Oh right ok, I'll VOSA a call then.

Does anyone know if you have to the mileage in on the logbook as well?

It was hit on the front wing. New wing, bumper, bump strip, wheel, ball joint, steering rack and lower arm.

I reckon it will cost around 300 to repair.

Sam

ah right its not repaired?

 

[C.slicker]

Nope, not repaired.

 

[Saundo]

If i were you i would have a good look at the interior. Its often a good way to gauge a cars millage. Not diffinative obviously but if the seats are worn or the steering whell is knackered its a good indication the car has done some serious miles.

Plus i would check to see if it does have an MOT. VOSA will have the last recorded millage

 

[-Leigh-]

I went and looked at a 4.5yr old 172 in a well known Bristol Car Supermarket when I was looking at mine. It was advertised as 1 owner, with 21k. The service book agreed with what the clock said, but the drivers seat was worn quite bad, the gear knob was falling apart, the steering wheel falling to pieces, and the clutch pedal was shined up like a mirror. Oh, and the seat belt would retract properly.

Needless to say, I don't think that the car had genuine mileage on it.

Check these points, it may help.

 

[Josh@Renparts]

how much is it costing you out of interest?

 

[AlexS]

As said above the interior is a give away, check the pedal rubbers etc, steering wheel like an ice rink etc
Assuming its a 1.2 at 21k it should still be running the original Conti tyres.

 

[ukaskew]

My 172 Cup was on about 15k when the steering wheel started to bubble and shine, and the seats started to wear quite a bit as well but I got those sorted before I sold it. Mine was looked after immensely well and those things still happened. Somethign as simple as leaving it in the sun during the summer was enough for the steering wheel to start giving up!

So although those sort of things might give you a clue, they won't alays tell you the full story. In fact mine is now on its 4th owner despite being little over 3 years old, again that is something people have picked up on, but it is perfectly genuine and nothing has ever been wrong with the car (I put the vast majority of the miles on it).

 

[C.slicker]

I am picking it up from the salvage yard at 1500 although I think I can haggle a little further.

I know there are indictations but I always want to know if a future buyer would realised when they filled out the log book?


Thanks

Sam

 

[tidyclio]

For £1500 I'd walk away. Yes you could get it done for £300 but what if the subframe has a slight bend etc?Mk2 Ph2 1.2 models are that cheap these days I wouldn't pay over £1000 for that.

 

[AlexS]

?Mk2 Ph2 1.2 models are that cheap these days I wouldn't pay over £1000 for that.

A MK2 PH2 1.2 model on an 02 plate for £1500, what planet are you on. If you can find a road worthy one for that money I will buy it for you.

 

[Faxo]

Whoever buys my CAT D 172 from the salvage yard wont get any history because ive got it all here. Ive receipts for everythng, folders full, but it wasnt in the car when crashed, and the insurance haven't asked for it back

 

[tidyclio]

But lets face it his isn't roadworthy is it?Mine is a 52 plate you can have that for £1500 hows that?Well over 100k mind lol.
Sorry but that list of parts and getting the car repaired properly I just think will cost more unless he has the parts or is going to go with 2nd hand. With a bent wishbone and knackered balljoint he will need to change these before he can check to see if anything else that isn't visible is bent. Subframe alone new is well over £250. And then when he comes to sell if he is honest he will take a hit because it is Cat D.
Also he isn't sure on the mileage, just seems like a big gamble to me for not much reward.

 

[C.slicker]

I have all the parts sourced, except the ball joint.

I am very confident the subframe is not bent.

I think the car will sell for around 3000 if cat D declared or 3700 if it isn't.

Sam

 

[Josh@Renparts]

I have all the parts sourced, except the ball joint.

I am very confident the subframe is not bent.

I think the car will sell for around 3000 if cat D declared or 3700 if it isn't.

Sam

its not worth 3700 on a cat d when its fixed.... i would forget that.... 3 at a push...

as for tidyclio... Subframes are 60 quid.... and easy as hell to fit.... so who cares about the subframe...

i think its a good buy at that price and i won't knock cat d's in any way.... as theyre fine... but there is no way anyone would buy it for 3700...

 

[C.slicker]

3700 is with the Cat D part not declared.

It is a 1.2 dynamique in black btw.

 

[Josh@Renparts]

3700 is with the Cat D part not declared.

It is a 1.2 dynamique in black btw.

you can't not declare a cat d... its basically robbery...

 

[tidyclio]

Yep fair enough if you get the parts on the cheap you should be able to make a bit. I just wish I could properly repair that amount of damage for £300 to be honest.
The most you will get for it is if it's a Dynamique. Going from Parkers private good is £3400 and private poor is £2550 albeit this car has done 20k less than average (hopefully), a cat D car will be below private poor price and like you say no service history.

 

[C.slicker]

I sold the exact same car with 53k on the clock (same age) for 3350 and I had 35 people try to arrange viewings within 2 weeks!

It sold for its asking price but I am confident I could have got 3600.

In black there seems to be incredible demand.

That car was also cat D and had no service history and was in terrible condition.

Sam

 

[tidyclio]

Good on you at the end of the day a car is worth as much as someones willing to pay.
But then even on Autotrader which isn't the cheapest place to buy a car withing 2 minutes of searching I found black Dynamique 02 plate 34k full service history, Mot, Immaculate condition all for £3000.
All credit to you for making money but really some people should shop around.

 

[C.slicker]

I entirely agree with people should shop around.

The prices seem to range from 2700 to 4500 for exactly the same car.

Location is important I guess as well as pics and description.

I currently have a cat C dynamique 1.2 with 43k on the clock on an 03 plate.

That will be up for 4k and I expect it to sell quickly at that price.

Sam

 

[AlexS]

I entirely agree with people should shop around.

The prices seem to range from 2700 to 4500 for exactly the same car.

Location is important I guess as well as pics and description.

I currently have a cat C dynamique 1.2 with 43k on the clock on an 03 plate.

That will be up for 4k and I expect it to sell quickly at that price.

Sam

What was the damage on the cat c one Sam?

 

[C.slicker]

It has been hit on the passenger rear arch.

When we meet up I will show you dude. Its been repaired, but if you are clued up at all you can spot it!

 

[AlexS]

It has been hit on the passenger rear arch.

When we meet up I will show you dude. Its been repaired, but if you are clued up at all you can spot it!

Oh rite, must have been a fair wack to make it Cat C, I only mention it as a friend of mine has bought a Clio recently that turns out is Cat C. That appears to of had a bump in the passenger rear arch too, full of filler this one, but as long as he parks it that side to the fence when he sells it shud be fine!
I will have a look when we meet up, also want to look at your bucket seats .

Alex

 

[C.slicker]

Mine has filler everywhere too.

When I sold my last one the people didn't even walk all the way around the car and picked it up at 10.30 at night in march!

 

[Martin_172]

i wouldnt pay over a grand for it,

mine is on 145k miles, 02 plate dynamique interiorlooks brand new, steeringwheel has no wear, 1 parking dent is only downside, not 1 single swirl in the paint,not 1 kerb mark on any wheel, 4 brand new tyres, engines on 50k, gearbox on 10k miles 2new driveshafts, 4 new wheel bearings, new suspension, new brakes, new engine mounts, basically looks like its straight out the showroom but i could sell it for £1500 at a push and its never been crashed.

 

[C.slicker]

Tbh Martin, yours isn't the norm though as its had a fair bit of work done to it.

I am going to offer 1200 and if they accept I will take it, if not then I'll keep looking.

I am still unsure about the mileage, but I guess no risk and no return!

Sam

 

[edde]

I wouldn't let the milage stop me go and look at the car 20k is quite low so if it has done more and you have a keen eyes should not be hard to spot.

You'd be suprised I was looking ata 1.2 the other day 116 on the clock and you coulnd't tell could have had 10k on just as easy.

It was advertised as 1 owner, with 21k. The service book agreed with what the clock said, but the drivers seat was worn quite bad, the gear knob was falling apart, the steering wheel falling to pieces, and the clutch pedal was shined up like a mirror. Oh, and the seat belt would retract properly.

Needless to say, I don't think that the car had genuine mileage on it.

That can just be wear it woulnd't put me off them things just shows how its been used maybe seats and interiers arn't that hard wearing.