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grp N ecu
- Thread starter MOZZalba
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I put mine onto a standard 172 (apart form K&N panel filter) and the car felt alot better, Revs higher which I think is only good if your taking it up 7250 and then change gear where as before I would take it upto 7250 and hit limiter sometimes. Car also feels alot more responsive and pulls better through the entire rev range. MPG is the same as before aswell and no lights are lit up on the dash which is good. I now have a viper and a sports which match to the ECU quite good and Im planning on getting a full exhaust sytem next.
feel free to tell me to shut up if i'm worng but a group N ecu is surely mapped to run with a specific spec (i.e group N cams etc.) so it wouldnt be ideal.
even if you have everything the same spec as a group N car, every engine is different so it wouldnt be a spot on map for your application (it would be close obviously, but not perfect)
to me it just seems like putting a 'superchip' on your car which just adds a bit more fuel and gives you a slightly higher rev limit. its not a specific map for your car.
i would have though that a piggy back ECU specifically set up for your car would be the way to go (but it will need to be well set up), standalone management would be best but might not be in budget.
anyway, those are my thoughts. cheers.
even if you have everything the same spec as a group N car, every engine is different so it wouldnt be a spot on map for your application (it would be close obviously, but not perfect)
to me it just seems like putting a 'superchip' on your car which just adds a bit more fuel and gives you a slightly higher rev limit. its not a specific map for your car.
i would have though that a piggy back ECU specifically set up for your car would be the way to go (but it will need to be well set up), standalone management would be best but might not be in budget.
anyway, those are my thoughts. cheers.
As far as I know there is a grp n ecu for modified cams and 1 with normal cams and I thought the only difference between clio grp n rally car (engine wise) was ecu, exhaust and intake as the grp n clio only runs at 185hp. But yes in effect its like putting a superchip on. I only paid £200 for mine and I still have my original ecu to put back on if i want it back to standard.
MRBILLYUK
ClioSport Club Member
FF Jeden Osiem Dwa
Gaz Sport said:
More about grp n ecu's .
http://www.bbperformancetuning.co.uk/Products/Default.asp?type=dept&DepartmentID=7968
MrBillyUK !
sounds a bit odd to me. how can they make a chip just to work with 'sporting exhaust and air intake modification'. there are loads of different exhausts and induction kits and they are all going to affect performance differently (only a minor difference but thats not the point) so how can that ecu be specific for those mods?
and its £330!!! you could probably get your original ecu remapped specifically to your set up for that (presuming the reno ecu's are as easy as saxo/106's to remap.?????)
i dont think i would be happy purchasing that.
it says 'not to be confused with performance chips and piggy back ecu's' from i can make out it is exactly the same as a 'performance chip' and not as good as a piggyback ecu. they just word it to sound good. scandelous.
and its £330!!! you could probably get your original ecu remapped specifically to your set up for that (presuming the reno ecu's are as easy as saxo/106's to remap.?????)
i dont think i would be happy purchasing that.
it says 'not to be confused with performance chips and piggy back ecu's' from i can make out it is exactly the same as a 'performance chip' and not as good as a piggyback ecu. they just word it to sound good. scandelous.
No doubt a remap will be better but it costs £600 but good gains can still be made by an off the shelf chip.... what do you think the standard ecu is? Not sure if I would pay £300+ maybe it might be worth you looking for a 2nd hand 1 and getting it unlocked at fastchip.nl like i did, it cost me £200(inc delivery) in total and I still have my old ecu to revert back if I want to. Other than that £600's and a trip to GDI cant see you wrong... http://www.greydevilindustries.com/
MRBILLYUK
ClioSport Club Member
FF Jeden Osiem Dwa
Not sure mate .
From what i've read on here after market airfilters / induction kits give no extra performance gains or very little , i guess its the same for exhausts , more noise than actual power gains .
Probably smooths out the power curve a little and it raises the rev limit to 7800rpm which i guess is one good point .
Maybe somebody who has one fitted can enlighten us a bit more to the advantage of having one ??
MrBillyUK !
From what i've read on here after market airfilters / induction kits give no extra performance gains or very little , i guess its the same for exhausts , more noise than actual power gains .
Probably smooths out the power curve a little and it raises the rev limit to 7800rpm which i guess is one good point .
Maybe somebody who has one fitted can enlighten us a bit more to the advantage of having one ??
MrBillyUK !
i'd rather spend £600 and do it properly then cough up over £300 for what is in my eyes a bit of a bodge.
i think if anyones on such a tight budget that they cant afford the extra £250 for a proper ECU remap then they shouldnt be trying to mod their engine in the first place.
i dont mean to sound harsh, but that stuff on BB's website is misleading if not untrue.
i think if anyones on such a tight budget that they cant afford the extra £250 for a proper ECU remap then they shouldnt be trying to mod their engine in the first place.
i dont mean to sound harsh, but that stuff on BB's website is misleading if not untrue.
If your planning on getting cams are any other major work then a remap would be the way to go, but to complement an full exhaust system and filter upgrade then a grp N is a worthy option as my car feels alot better for it.
Maybe in the future I decide I want the cams I will be getting a remap
also didnt pmurry get good gains from an off the shelf chip?
- car pulls better through entire rev range
- Engine feels smoother
- raised rev limit
- Car is faster
- no lights on dash
- can be fully reversed by myself within the hour
- engine bay looks totally standard
- better gains than just putting an exhaust and filter on
- insurance doesnt need to know if you dont want
- It is made specifically for the clio sport
Maybe in the future I decide I want the cams I will be getting a remap
also didnt pmurry get good gains from an off the shelf chip?
MRBILLYUK
ClioSport Club Member
FF Jeden Osiem Dwa
Gaz Sport said:
What exhaust and filter you got on ?
So if you get an unlocked one you can just do a straight swap with your standard ecu and it just locks itself again to your car ?
Did you tell your insurance about it ?
Can Renault not f*ck it up if they have to reset your ecu ?
Lots of questions eh
MrBillyUK !
RSTuning
ClioSport Club Member
R35 GTR
Gaz Sport said:
Yes the "off the shelf" remap (which can be adjusted for anything even a turbo
) did show excellent results on a back to back test. Basically the original is read from the stock ECU and modded accordingly then wrote back to the car, We could also do a complete ECU on an exchange basis which will be similar to the Group N unit.Paul
MRBILLYUK said:What exhaust and filter you got on ?
So if you get an unlocked one you can just do a straight swap with your standard ecu and it just locks itself again to your car ?
Did you tell your insurance about it ?
Can Renault not f*ck it up if they have to reset your ecu ?
Lots of questions eh
MrBillyUK !
Yes you can do a straight swap for an unlocked ecu and it just locks itself to the new vehicle, obviously once its been locked to the vehicle you have to pay to have it unlocked if you want to fit it to another vehicle.
I have told my insurance about it but I recon you can get away with it cos the units look exactly the same
I didnt send mine to renault - fastchip.nl did it
I have a Black Mamba Viper properly fitted bymyself thanks to some advice off Daze and I havnt got a full exhaust at the moment just a Janspeed sports cat
hope that helps
davesrealgood said:
What was the bhp before the mods though? On the same roller? etc.
I have a grp N ECU from www.clio-power.org, 2.5 inch exhaust system and ITG Maxogen.
The car is much more alive, accelerates quicker and throttle response is much improved.
I'm getting mine RR'd to see the gains, I did 1 before I did these mods.
It's not a HUGE gain in performance, but it is well worth it, just for the fun factor alone.
There are 2 ECU's as someone said, one designed for CAMS and one for Induction/Zorst mods, which is the one I have.
Gaz Sport said:
The BB performance ecu comes from fastchip.nl , they DONT do it there selfs.
Regarding a remap this is EXACTLEY the same job.
Why you are paying £300 for a BB ecu is because they have had a brand NEW ecu remaped so the security is set/unlocked as std.
Therefore it is a plug and play ECU compleate with remap.
The immo code in the ecu is set to 00 to self learn the ECU as soon as it is fitted to a car.
I can also do the EXACT same to my clio ecu's either set to self learn or remap a exsisting ecu for a particular car.
I will have Dyno results from my Remaped 182 ECU and my Group-N type 182 ecu in the next few days.
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=122893
Regards bell
www.bellautoservices.co.uk
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widders said:
YES it is as long as the ecu is PRE programed with the data needed to run the car with its current mods.
Ive been remapping/rechipping ecus for 10 years and i know the difference.
And what does and does not work.
As stated why people bolt a ecu on is because if the customer is to far away from the tuner he can send a unlocked remapped ecu via post and it will self learn security so no need to remap his existing ecu.
I can understand a live/spacific dyno remap would be better than a bolt on ecu if the car had massive engine work carried out, But if the car is nearly stock the remap that goes on 1 car will be the same as a reamap that goes on another.
How many different software versions do you think there are for a 172 and a 182 ??
Regards bell
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all i meant is it cant be exactly right, as every engine is different. different bore size exhausts, different air filters and so on (i appreciate they are minor differences).
if you were to run a car with cams, headwork and tb's for example, and you created a a map on a standalone ecu for it, you wouldnt just use that map as it is on another car with the same spec, you would have to fine tune it (at least this was the case when i had mine done)
i'm not trying to teach my grandmother to suck eggs as my knowledge will not be as great as yours, but i dont accept that changing the ecu is EXACTLY the same as a remap.
surely a remap means a new map made for your particular application?
if you were to run a car with cams, headwork and tb's for example, and you created a a map on a standalone ecu for it, you wouldnt just use that map as it is on another car with the same spec, you would have to fine tune it (at least this was the case when i had mine done)
i'm not trying to teach my grandmother to suck eggs as my knowledge will not be as great as yours, but i dont accept that changing the ecu is EXACTLY the same as a remap.
surely a remap means a new map made for your particular application?
widders said:
agree completely.....but £600 for ur std ecu remapped to suit ur spec....now thats fukkin scandalous...the meister himself only charges around the 350 mark.....and u wont get a better map for double the money......i can garauntee that lol.
standalone is the ultimate dependant on other mods.....the std ecu has enuff parameters to run the basic mods, cams filters zorsts etc etc etc , but its wen u get to bodies and suchlike that the std ecu will become surplus to requirements as they cant control bodies.
altho the standalone does cost£££s
unless uv got major modifications in the pipeline, id get ur ecu remapped , by someone who knows what they doin, like wayne at chip wizards, all other off the shelf chips will as widders said, maybe give benefits, but they wont be as good as a chip mapped to suit.......end of.
Here are the differences in remaps and dyno remaps and replacement ecus.
1 . A remap as most you know it is where the standard data from the ecu is read from the car (file size32k), then the file is modded from a base file and re wrote back to your car.
2 . A dyno remap is where the data is read from the ecu and either loaded into a emulator and software and a LIVE remap is done to sute your particular car, then wrote back to the ecu.
3 . A replacement / plug and play ecu is where a NEW ecu is got from the dealer VIRGIN state and (remaped on the bench via the FULL chip read 512k on a 182) just like 1. A remap, where you are getting exactley the same but in a self learn ecu
Now for the £600 you lot keep going on about what are you getting ??
A remap or a live remap ??
I think some of you dont actualy understand the difference from a plug and play remapped ecu to a standard remap or a dyno remap
And of course there is the stand allone engine management system, that is a totaly different kettle of fish .
1 . A remap as most you know it is where the standard data from the ecu is read from the car (file size32k), then the file is modded from a base file and re wrote back to your car.
2 . A dyno remap is where the data is read from the ecu and either loaded into a emulator and software and a LIVE remap is done to sute your particular car, then wrote back to the ecu.
3 . A replacement / plug and play ecu is where a NEW ecu is got from the dealer VIRGIN state and (remaped on the bench via the FULL chip read 512k on a 182) just like 1. A remap, where you are getting exactley the same but in a self learn ecu
Now for the £600 you lot keep going on about what are you getting ??
A remap or a live remap ??
I think some of you dont actualy understand the difference from a plug and play remapped ecu to a standard remap or a dyno remap
And of course there is the stand allone engine management system, that is a totaly different kettle of fish .
with wayne/chip wizards.............its a LIVE RE-MAP.....ur std ecu data is d/l into his laptop, the car is then put on the rollers, with the laptop running the car, the car is run up on the rollers and tweaked to suit at the same time.then the finished result is saved from the laptop to a chip which is then replaced into ur std ecu.
starts around £350............and hes s**t hot.
starts around £350............and hes s**t hot.
np mate........i dont believe in the off the shelf chips myself.......never have...........never seen the point in running a generic chip thats not suited to any part of my particular engine tbh.
with wayne u get b4 and after readouts, set up in a purposefully sealed enclosure, with huge fans, and excellent results....if u not happy with it, hel sort it out.
with wayne u get b4 and after readouts, set up in a purposefully sealed enclosure, with huge fans, and excellent results....if u not happy with it, hel sort it out.
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