Help! Agreed a sale buy now she won't start.

[Edd]

As above, my 172 was meant to be collected today by it's new owner, come to leave work and it won't start. What are the chances of that.

When you turn the ignition you can hear it trying but the engine doesn't kick in. It's never done this before, always started first time everytime.

I think it's trying to tell me something.

Anyway I'm waiting for recovery agent to appear, but any ideas??

Cheers.

 

[James.f]

Could be anything, tdc sensor?

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

If it's turning over .. fuel pump / fuel (empty?!) / fuel pump relay / TDC sensor...?

 

[Edd]

Excuse spelling in title, on iPhone and was rushing.

 

[Edd]

Not empty, put 20 quid in.

 

[sideways danny]

sounds like crank sensor to me

 

[colm_gti]

Can you hear the fuel pump priming when you turn on the ignition?

 

[realnumber 1]

Could be something simple like the battery?

 

[Sean6545]

Is the imobiliser light going off?
Is the fuel pump priming?
Give the crank sensor connector a wiggle if both of the above are ok.
Failing that, possibly an injection locking relay problem in the fuse/relay box.

 

[Edd]

Is the imobiliser light going off?
Is the fuel pump priming?
Give the crank sensor connector a wiggle if both of the above are ok.
Failing that, possibly an injection locking relay problem in the fuse/relay box.

Imobiliser light goes off.
Fuel punp is priming.

Recovery guy has just left and thinks it is the Imobiliser.

How do I go about locating the crank sensor?

 

[Sean6545]

It aint the imobiliser if the light is going solid then going out after 3 seconds.

The crank sensor is on top of the bell housing. Has two wires going too it.

You will need to remove the airbox to get at it.

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Immobiliser relay ? has the alarm been playing about recently ?! Mine did this (the OP) a year or so back .. replaced the relays (under the bonnet IIRC?) and it's been fine ever since.

About £3 from Renault.

HTH !

 

[Sean6545]

Theres a picture in this thread

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=517223&highlight=crank+sensor

 

[Edd]

Immobiliser relay ? has the alarm been playing about recently ?! Mine did this (the OP) a year or so back .. replaced the relays (under the bonnet IIRC?) and it's been fine ever since.

About £3 from Renault.

HTH !

Has it even got an alarm as standard? I didn't think my current ph1 had one. My last ph1 had an aftermarket one.

The recovery guy checked the fuses.

 

[Edd]

Theres a picture in this thread

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=517223&highlight=crank+sensor

Cheers, I'll go and try that now.

 

[Bloooor]

mine did something similar, key in, turned it all the way and all i got was a click sometimes. Other times it didn't even do anything... Fuel primed, Immobiliser light went out as well.

Ended up being a new starter motor.

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Yeah the Ph1's have (cat 1?) alarm / immob as standard (unless it's an import..)

Oh how I miss the joys of owning a surrender monkey.

:rasp:

Hope you get it sorted dude..!

 

[Edd]

Just taken the crank sensor off, it was very dirty. Gave it a clean but has made no difference.

Car was driving spot on this morning, can't believe it.

 

[Edd]

Yeah the Ph1's have (cat 1?) alarm / immob as standard (unless it's an import..)

Oh how I miss the joys of owning a surrender monkey.

:rasp:

Hope you get it sorted dude..!

Maybe it's an import because I'm sure it hasn't got an alarm.

 

[Edd]

Pressing the trip button on the end of the stalk to reset imob? Anyone know how to do it on a PH1. Do you let the needle go to 160mph and then return to 40mph?

 

[.GAZ.]

Fuel cut off switch? Big red button @ the battery!

 

[Whiteley]

Does it not turn over? Give the starter solenoid a tickle with a hammer.

 

[Edd]

Fuel cut off switch? Big red button @ the battery!

I tried it and the recovery guy did aswell.

 

[Edd]

Does it not turn over? Give the starter solenoid a tickle with a hammer.

It turns over but that's it, doesn't kick in.

 

[Edd]

Any more ideas of what could cause this?

How would a garage approach this sort of thing, trial and error? Would it need to go to Renault if it's imob related?

Cheers for the help already.

 

[Sean6545]

Next thing to do is to remove the fuse box cover behind the passenger headlight.
Check all the general wiring to the 3 black relays. Turn the relay block over and check for green corrosion.

Pull all the relays out and check for corrosion.

Then try swapping the relays around. Hope this helps.

 

[Edd]

I didn't even know there was a fuse box cover behind the passenger headlight. I'll do that first thing in the morning as I left it at work.

If the imob light goes out does that mean this issue is definately not realted to it?

Cheers shepperdspie, you've been most helpful.

 

[Edd]

Immobiliser relay ? has the alarm been playing about recently ?! Mine did this (the OP) a year or so back .. replaced the relays (under the bonnet IIRC?) and it's been fine ever since.

About £3 from Renault.

HTH !

Are these the same relays as mentioned below?

Next thing to do is to remove the fuse box cover behind the passenger headlight.
Check all the general wiring to the 3 black relays. Turn the relay block over and check for green corrosion.

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Pull all the relays out and check for corrosion.

Thats what it was, cleaned all the relays up, put them back in and she fired up first time.

Cheers lads, really helped me out there!

 

[Rob]

It doesn't want to go! Poor French thing

 

[Sean6545]

Sorted

 

[Cookson]

what was it then?

 

[.GAZ.]

And people grudge paying £10 to join this site!

Glad its sorted matey!

 

[Edd]

what was it then?

It was just a bit of corrosion on the relay for the imobiliser. Cleaned up and it's back to normal, going to replace it though.

 

[Edd]

Re: Help! Agreed a sale but now she won't start.

Sorted

I owe you a drink!!

And people grudge paying £10 to join this site!

Glad its sorted matey!

I know, a garage could have had it all day replacing various parts and still not fixed it. Could of ended being a fairly big bill to foot.

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

when this happened to me it was fixed by a renault tech cleaning an offending relay.

 

[H182]

My 1.2 did the same as the new owner came to collect it, luckily we sorted it. Glad its fixed.

 

[AhmedRSi]

Glad u got this fixed !

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Re: Help! Agreed a sale but now she won't start.

I owe you a drink!!

*coughs* I got there first...



Only joking .. glad you're sorted.

 

[Edd]

Re: Help! Agreed a sale but now she won't start.

*coughs* I got there first...



Only joking .. glad you're sorted.

I suppose you did, but in less detail. Not sure if that warrants a drink!

Just ordered 3 new relays from Renault as they all look as if they have seen better days, £60.

 

[iimushroomzii]

What a way to waste £60 before you sell it.