HR Coilover set up

[Dan R]

You need to watch yourself jesus!!!!

or?

:lolup:

Im sure ill see you on the track one day!

Its amazing isnt it! all this info coming from jesus and hes too scared to even take that so called M3 eater on the track! the bloke cant even fu**in drive!!! M3 eater my ar*e. (i pulled 3 lengths on one after 100mph!!!!) Yeah you keep dreamin mate! the bloke must have been watchin his tv!!!

 

[TheJesus]

I'm no suspension expert, but then neither are you muppets, you take one persons word as gospel and assume they are right and everyone else is wrong. I dont know what camber settings you should run, but it makes sense to me that as every setup is different with different dampening etc then I dont see any logical arguement to support this "so called" fact that no more than neg 1.5 is needed. So while what I put may well be nonsense I'd like an proper detailed explaination as to why purely for my own understanding, as Pro Sport obviously know less that you guys... as do the people that setup Peperami's and whoever elses.

Oh, just one more thing (Columbo style), Northampton Motorsport are Cambridge Motorsport, aka Mass are they, I get confused.

I didnt say it was fact and that you coudnt run more. I was just shown with a highly technical program as to why there was no real need to!!!! i never said you cant ever run more than that!!!

and this is on their kits and their dampers with their springs and rates they use correct?

like I said mate, purely dependent on the kit. For some reason on the road mine is s**t over bumps and feels really harsh, but leans a lot more than other more expensive and presumably better kits. From that mine's been setup on what they "think" according to their computer how much camber and height etc it should run.

It drives well enough... on smooth roads and tires have done well over 10k on the fronts... so whatever works really! There's no right or wrong I dont really think

 

[Dan R]

I didnt say it was fact and that you coudnt run more. I was just shown with a highly technical program as to why there was no real need to!!!! i never said you cant ever run more than that!!!

and this is on their kits and their dampers with their springs and rates they use correct?

like I said mate, purely dependent on the kit. For some reason on the road mine is s**t over bumps and feels really harsh, but leans a lot more than other more expensive and presumably better kits. From that mine's been setup on what they "think" according to their computer how much camber and height etc it should run.

It drives well enough... on smooth roads and tires have done well over 10k on the fronts... so whatever works really! There's no right or wrong I dont really think

Thats cool mate. ill go with that too. lets leave it at that.

 

[Peperami]

Never thought id see the day, but i actually agree with thejesus!

Its funny how a few months ago when he was looking at getting their coilovers danr was worshipping gdi and their set-up, yet now he hasnt he's arguing with john that its rubbish...

Keyboard warrior indeed.

MarkM - i drive my cup with settings close to those of the 182 cup racer to the shops in the cold everyday... not had a problem with it, and have even tyre wear.

 

[Dan R]

Never thought id see the day, but i actually agree with thejesus!

Its funny how a few months ago when he was looking at getting their coilovers danr was worshipping gdi and their set-up, yet now he hasnt he's arguing with john that its rubbish...

Keyboard warrior indeed.

MarkM - i drive my cup with settings close to those of the 182 cup racer to the shops in the cold everyday... not had a problem with it, and have even tyre wear.

!!!!!!!!!! This has got nothing to do with gdi stuff. hes got a different make!!!!! And for your info i said that the gdi car was good on the track. i didnt comment on the road as i didnt go in it on the road.

 

[Peperami]

That statement is nonsense.

I'm no suspension expert, but then neither are you muppets, you take one persons word as gospel and assume they are right and everyone else is wrong. I dont know what camber settings you should run, but it makes sense to me that as every setup is different with different dampening etc then I dont see any logical arguement to support this "so called" fact that no more than neg 1.5 is needed. So while what I put may well be nonsense I'd like an proper detailed explaination as to why purely for my own understanding, as Pro Sport obviously know less that you guys... as do the people that setup Peperami's and whoever elses.

Oh, just one more thing (Columbo style), Northampton Motorsport are Cambridge Motorsport, aka Mass are they, I get confused.

Mine was set-up by Mark Fish Motorsport... It must be wrong, its not like they prepare many race cars or anything

 

[edde]

MarkM - i drive my cup with settings close to those of the 182 cup racer to the shops in the cold everyday... not had a problem with it, and have even tyre wear.

Cup racers run way more cable that you can run without knokcing the driveshafts. Hence why there tyres stick out and have different bottom ball joints.

Setups depend on car driver etc there no hard and fast rule IMO excpet what often good and the best way as siad is to get the thermonitor on them and masure wear etc.

PS just because companies run race cars or cars used in race series mean nothing at all.

 

[Dan R]

PS just because companies run race cars or cars used in race series mean nothing at all.[/quote]

Fair point!

 

[MarkM]

Mine was set-up by Mark Fish Motorsport... It must be wrong, its not like they prepare many race cars or anything

I imagine he has given you a good dry track setup.

This is no use to me because I drive on the road when its cold and wet and not at enough speed to push the tyre over. I want something that is a better all round setup.

My point is not that they are wrong but your setup is to focussed.

The simple fact is that unless you are pushing hard enough to lean the tyre over you have less grip and increased tyre wear compared to someone with less camber. Give Mark Fish a call I am sure he will clarify this.

 

[Dan R]

Mine was set-up by Mark Fish Motorsport... It must be wrong, its not like they prepare many race cars or anything

I imagine he has given you a good dry track setup.

This is no use to me because I drive on the road when its cold and wet and not at enough speed to push the tyre over. I want something that is a better all round setup.

My point is not that they are wrong but your setup is to focussed.

The simple fact is that unless you are pushing hard enough to lean the tyre over you have less grip and increased tyre wear compared to someone with less camber. Give Mark Fish a call I am sure he will clarify this.

Thats basically what i was saying. We are talking about EVERYDAY USE, NOT!!! I REPEAT NOT, TRACK USE!!!. You do not need loads of camber on the road for the simple reason that Mark M has explained. Im not saying that anyone elses is set up wrong, im just saying that for everyday fast road use there is no real reason for running more for the simple reason that most will not be pushing the tyres hard enough.

 

[leeroybrown]

any answers to the orignal questions?

 

[Ali]

Front between 1.5-1.7 deg neg camber +/- 20 minutes
Rear Between 0.55-0.65 deg neg camber

For Toe adjustment 1 turn = 1 degree. (6mm)

Front toe - 0.32
Rear toe - 0.17

IF motorsport set up.

 

[Peperami]

I imagine he has given you a good dry track setup.

This is no use to me because I drive on the road when its cold and wet and not at enough speed to push the tyre over. I want something that is a better all round setup.

My point is not that they are wrong but your setup is to focussed.

The simple fact is that unless you are pushing hard enough to lean the tyre over you have less grip and increased tyre wear compared to someone with less camber. Give Mark Fish a call I am sure he will clarify this.

Thats basically what i was saying. We are talking about EVERYDAY USE, NOT!!! I REPEAT NOT, TRACK USE!!!. You do not need loads of camber on the road for the simple reason that Mark M has explained. Im not saying that anyone elses is set up wrong, im just saying that for everyday fast road use there is no real reason for running more for the simple reason that most will not be pushing the tyres hard enough.

In that case you dont need coilovers at all on the road.

Standard set-up is fine for fast road.

 

[Day]

Who gives a flying f**k.

You set up a car to your personal preference i.e whatever suits your driving style. People like different things.

Too many variables to have a sensible discussion in my opinion.

 

[TheJesus]

I imagine he has given you a good dry track setup.

This is no use to me because I drive on the road when its cold and wet and not at enough speed to push the tyre over. I want something that is a better all round setup.

My point is not that they are wrong but your setup is to focussed.

The simple fact is that unless you are pushing hard enough to lean the tyre over you have less grip and increased tyre wear compared to someone with less camber. Give Mark Fish a call I am sure he will clarify this.

Thats basically what i was saying. We are talking about EVERYDAY USE, NOT!!! I REPEAT NOT, TRACK USE!!!. You do not need loads of camber on the road for the simple reason that Mark M has explained. Im not saying that anyone elses is set up wrong, im just saying that for everyday fast road use there is no real reason for running more for the simple reason that most will not be pushing the tyres hard enough.

That's fair enough, I guess it basically boils down to what you consider an acceptable level of camber for an everyday car. I find mine perfectly fine, but I'm not too bothered about comfort, as I like my cars to feel old school and raw... but then I was brought up with 80's/90's hot hatches so my idea of a daily car and noise levels, comfort, the way it drives etc will differ from others. I'm happy having a raw feeling car for daily use as I love driving and being in cars, even if it's being sat in traffic I just enjoy driving and being in them full stop, so loads of negative camber would only really bother me if the tyres were only lasting 5 mins, but I have even wear all over mine and they must have done over 15k now, as I've done 20k in this car and the first set of fronts before it was setup only lasted 3.5k lol