Is this possible to do for Under 5k?

[Šįk]

Buy a ph1 172 (not bothered about body interior conditon aslong as it runs like a dream) and get it to be a sheer raw B-road/track car running 2nd hand itb's, coilovers etc etc !?

Have a major urge to sell up and invest in building a striped itb'd ph1 172 for weekends! And go halfers on a cheap dci to share with the women through the week. Had a go in hutchies itb'd 1.6 n loved the noise and feel of it being so raw! And from the driving yesterday to hawes I don't think there's much better than the RS clio's for fun for the money! Especially if I can having it running over 200bhp n weighing under a ton!

Will be abit off yet mind but if Can be done for under 5k then I think I'd be laughing and have a fantastic Cheap fun car for weekends!

What we looking at for reliability running itb's etc? As I wouldn't want to do it and it brake allll the time if I'm keeping ontop of looking after it. as then it wouldn't be worth the money!

Thoughts please,

PSJ.

 

[nth]

possibly, but might not be best to have such a stringent budget when going for a project as such, first thing that springs to mind is wear and tear for usual consumables.

 

[Bazzon]

Possible, but depends on if you find second hand ITBs.

As for reliability it depends on who does the conversion. If you do it yourself you will understand it and you will know how to fix it, but make sure you do it properly. Also get it mapped properly.

The thing that would worry me is the 5K budget, sounds plenty but problems happen when you start to run out of money and cut corners.

When you start doing proper modifications its not cheap.

On another note, buy coilovers that are suited for the back roads, or even consider a uprated dampener and spring set up.

 

[Cro]

Totally agree with Bazzon on this one. With a budget like that i'd say you might aswell keep an eye out for a car thats already running itb's and some mods.

That way all you might need to change / add are things like a cage or coilovers etc

 

[Šįk]

Yea wanting to do it properly like no cutting corners as I know it will come back n bite me on the backside!

I can get ahold of 2nd hand H&R's and Mag wheels and ressecced zorst system. (from
my old 172, I'm sure nixxy would sell them on to me) so this would be a big help!

Just finding a sound Ph1 To start with for right price is half the battle.

Money would be coming into (IF needed) it now and again so it's not 5k dead but closer the better.

What about other Internals running itbs as I think the power wil weaken other parts (transmission etc) is this right?

PSJ.

 

[The Boosh!]

On paper I would say yes, piece of piss.

In reality I think you would struggle to do it, as things do tend to go wrong, quiet a lot.

 

[Alic01]

I would agree with everyone else on this, if you make a list of all the parts you would need assuming the donor car is in fine fettle it will mathematically work out possible.

Its all the little bits and pieces you dont even know you need yet. If your competent about doing the job yourself and looking after it yourself your more likely to succeed on your budget, factoring for companies labour and time is a definite problem.

I have put over 5K into my mini A series engine, its massively powerful for a mini but every now and again, things go wrong that normally wouldnt, current issue is starter motors burning out trying to crank it over, that wont be an issue caused by ITB's on a 172 but its an example of something costly you would never have thought you needed to buy.

 

[JayR]

Interesting!

The novelty of LY worn off already mate or you just fancy something you can belt around worry free?

I would think you could make a weapon of a PH1 with a 5k budget even if you didnt get exactly what you were propsing in.

 

[Budgie]

VTS out of the question?

If not, you can do all of this for less than £3k, probably!

 

[sideways danny]

you can do new ITB's and really good coilovers for £3.5, then strip it to fookery is free, add exhaust and tyres and you're not way past 4k

 

[b33fy172]

It's pretty much what I've done bar the ITB's. but they are on the list.

I sold my Astra Gsi for 5.5k

Then I bought the following

Ph1 clio £1600
H&R coilovers £500
Seats and Harnesses £500
Wheels and tyres £500
Brakes £200
Decat £80

Thats £2,880 so far, I then sold a few bits.


Whole interior (Seats, doorcards,carpets etc) £350
16" Oz Wheels (Already on car, but I wanted 15") £180

Which takes the total back done to £2,350

Then K-tec were doing a deal for cams,belts, matched inlets and a remap I also had a new throttle body fitted and a new exhaust fitted that was £1900

Now rather than working out how much ITB's were I just dived in for the cams, which looking at it now ITB's would of been a better option


So anyway that took the total to £4,250

IMO it is a very capable car as it is now, pretty quick in a straight line and lots of fun though the corners!

 

[Šįk]

No don't want vts or gti, want to stick with clio's. Love them lol. Plus the ph1 has so much charactor! Mean as f**k with correct stance etc.

Well it wouldnt be rushed. Just wait search for the right bits to come up for sale. Want to try and do it over winter ready for the summer next year! Keep the LY for the summer it's prime time

no not bored of the LY, fuxking love it but as u say, I want something I can just rag about and have loads f fun with! That I can keep and just look after and toy about with. I fancied my dad old super7 buts it's just too old and too much of a faff for bits and to get repaired etc. I think I would benifit from a Clio RS alot more. I'm on my 3rd now so y not lol.

Interesting read so far guys, great help. I think it is possible but as alot of u are saying it's the little bits that will add up. But if I'm doing it bit by bit n be patiant I think it would be ok, espeially since I have an ok constant wage coming in and have a good few friend who know about engines etc

Put it this way its alot cheaper than spending 12-14k on a R26 that I'd have to share with the misses (more milage, prob get f**ked lol) n will prob not be as fun as the PH1 and il always be thinking of the noise of the itb's!

Is there any common problem that occour from fitting itb's?

PSJ.

 

[Tony Hunter]

It sure is all the little bit's and pieces that add up massive amounts,our race car has cost us a fortune in the end.

 

[Alic01]

I think the important thing is that once you commit to the route you dont start cutting corners to minimise the budget.

Theres no real reason if done properly that the car shouldnt be reliable, you are not after all breaking into the block to change rods etc so other than slight increased wear due to the extra power and the fact that it will probably be driven harder. I have read reports of people on here using ITB'd cars as daily drivers so as a weekend warrior this should be fine.

if in 6 months something does give up your regular income should hopefully cover it pretty quickly, if your not relying on the car then thats even better.

 

[Šįk]

Well that's it. I'm not going to lose out or make a huge loss as the car isn't worth much and could end up stripping and sellig seperatly if worst came to worst! I plan to keep it and if it is off the road i can use the other car... So in all areas it seems an ideal situation to do it in...

PSJ.

 

[Alic01]

Yeah sounds good, my biggest advice to anyone with project cars is not to have to rely on them! If you have other transport and its just for a laugh when the feeling takes you then its win win.

 

[mat-nos]

its not so much the parts that cost its the profesionals setting them up that costs the money as you can pay around £150 to just set up suspension that then might not suit your driving style etc so you could be back and forth a few times getting it right.
also its the consumables and little things start to add up like polly bushes, exhaust mounts and engine monuts etc but as long as you have an open mind of maybe adding to that 5k budget once you have the car going in the right direction then i say go for it.......

 

[Gib#244]

lol I have just been to look at a PH1 172 that my mate is thinking of selling up! was going to buy as a run around while mine is getting work done on it! and also for me and the mrs to run around in!

 

[Nashy]

Give me your trophy gib!!

Nashy

 

[Gib#244]

straight swap for yours! haha

 

[Nashy]

you have a deal sir!!:approve:

Nashy

 

[Gib#244]

so a R27 this weekend and looked lush! pm'd mate

 

[Tunst]

Do it! il help

whers ur pics at from the meet?

 

[Nashy]

pm'd tunst!

 

[maynard]

It sure is all the little bit's and pieces that add up massive amounts,our race car has cost us a fortune in the end.

How much roughly do you reckon ball park?

 

[Šįk]

I'm actually in discussion with the women about this and she is ok with it.. Could buy a ph1 172 for around £1.5-2k and buy a mk2 Clio Dci for around 3k and the rest can be a starter for the Ph1!

Does any1 know of a good ph1 for sale which is under or around 2k! Ideally after FSH and under 60k and machanicaly sound! Not bothered about bodywork or interior condition tbh.

PSJ.

 

[Brett]

Does any1 know of a good ph1 for sale which is under or around 2k! Ideally after FSH and under 60k and machanicaly sound! Not bothered about bodywork or interior condition tbh.

PSJ.

Don't worry about mileage. To be honest if I was to buy another 172 I wouldn't care whether it had been to the moon and back. Generally the same things will need replacing any way and the engines are strong if maintained.

I doubt you will get a FSH <60,000 mile ph1 for £2K. Chances are if its mechanically sound then the body work etc will be good too.

If you'll be running ITB's etc you'll want uprated engine mounts etc so if you get one with knackered mounts then you can knock money off he car that you would spend whether the origionals where fine or not, same with brakes etc.

 

[Nixxy]

PSJ i think your theory and motivation around this project is great and i truely believe it can be done, but just look at everything before you comit as plans never work out how u want them. Take when i purchased your old 172 a few things went wrong that had to be replaced and looked at, i just think you need to be 100% before you go ahead.

If it does great u will have a really good fun car for the road and the track sweet saan !

 

[ForceIndia]

I'd buy a mechanically sound car, and get the suspension etc sorted (along with any niggles) before going for ITB's.

 

[Šįk]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1621760.htm

that looks a gooden but over budget..

yea would want it mint before I started messing with the engine tbh.. That would prob be last area I'd touch. I'd want to strip it 1st and sort tyres out, then brakes n suspension, then start on finding ITB's and getting the best out of the engine.

Yea ino what your saying nixxy! It's a big choice as I currently have a fantastic 182, that's one main thing that's kinda holding me back.. Letting it go after finding such a gooden! Ino I'll miss it and prob never find another like it! Scared I will regret letting it go!!!

PSJ.

 

[Brett]

Could you not just save up and ITB the 182? If you used second hand ITB's then you could do it for £2Kish.

 

[Gaz_]

waste of cash imo!

 

[Šįk]

Thing with the ly is I just don't want to ruin it as it's such a good example plus I don't have the cash.. I'd love to do that.. But unfortunatly can't, plus I'm currently sharing it with the misses..

Ideal situation would be to keep the 182 AND buy a ph172 but can't afford to run both !!!!

I don't think it's a waste of money if I keep the car.. Yea if I sell it in a year or 2 but not if I keep it as my weekend toy..

PSJ.

 

[Gib#244]

save cash.... buy a house!

 

[Nashy]

what gib says!! ly ftw!! lol :rasp:

Nashy

 

[Russ Rallye]

Keep the LY, £100 says whatever you do to a ph1 it wont go faster over the roads we were on at the weekend, especially with track biased suspension on. I'll let you have a go in my ph1 if i ever get it finished, budget for that was £5k and will be close although i paid peanuts for it and had a few bits kicking around already + no itbs for me, lsd instead!
Russ

 

[Šįk]

Lol.. The grass is always greener on the other side.. I'm
never happy with what I have got! That's my problem!

It's not just the b-roads, I want bit more grunt n noise lol.. It has to be raw! That's what I'm missing the 182's great for day to day and posin but I don't want to Totally f**k it when out on Clio days n going away to Le mans n FCS etc etc

thanks for the offer Russ , I'll take u up on that and loving the idea of the LSD..! Will be looking forward to see it!

Iv spotted Brown bears on PH, looks good for the price (woudl have to haggle abit tho!) as it has half the gear on it. Just need R888's and itb's n to strip it and that's my car lol,.. That would be pushing 5k by the time that's all done I'd guess..
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1571879.htm

also would love this 230bhp cup!!!
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1638438.htm



PSJ.

 

[Poopensharten]

Keep the 182, the power of a Phase 1 with ITB's although quicker will not be worlds apart from a 182.

If you want something cheap to not give a f**k about then get £1500 together and buy a GTiR

 

[Barron]

if you want to strip it etc whats the point in buying a "good example" you might aswell buy a cheap tatty car with crap interior for peanuts, considering you'll be stripping it why does it matter if its a good example?

Aslong as the engine is fine and had a recent cambelt change it will be fine.

tatty ph1 for £1.5k and 2nd hand bodies = £3.5k

leaving £1500 for others including a nice road coilover setup and the most important thing....good brakes

but....

keep the LY182, ph1 track cars are money pits

 

[ForceIndia]

I (personally) think whatever you do, sort suspension and brakes, then learn to drive the nuts off it, then go power hunting. Imo, once you start with itb's etc, it'll never be as reliable as a car with a fairly standard engine.