JMS RS2 before and after results

[Russ_16v]

So many people miss the point of the RS2 its unreal.

Its not about peak power, or maximum bhp, it is about a bolt on solution that provides a far smoother power/torque curve & improved driveability, for a fast road car. For out & out power, or high revviness, fit cams instead, but dont expect much pull from low revs, when your in the wrong gear. If you have twice the money of the RS2, & are chasing out & out power, with improved driveability (& sh1t mpg), fit ITB's.

For me, i think those results are decent enough, 174-187bhp.

Not bad considering all you are really changing is the 'matched inlets' to an 'RS2 inlet' - surely proving how good Tom's design is?

My itb'd still did 40mpg

 

[Nick172Cup]

Looks a nice mod, why do you think all fast and track worthy vtec lumps have vtec killer type cams... Smooth power is worth far more than peaky unusable top numbers.

A man who speaks sense, them cams are savage things that work well but sound horrible!

I'm not getting involved in the rest of the thread, there's already been a thread locked because of the trolls vs JLS Fanboys that have no idea about the product even though they've all driven an RS-2'd car. Drive one and then comment...

 

[Fred@BTM]

give me the keys to one then! has to have this on the stereo though

 

[Nick172Cup]

give me the keys to one then! has to have this on the stereo though

Lol, nice bit of trolling Fred!

Once mines running by all means take it for a spin or pop to a local trackday to take it for a few laps, only thing is I dont have a sterio!

 

[Fred@BTM]

what is trolling? i don't do internet speak! Not driving yours then :rasp:, you have to get into character, so i need one of Tom's hats, bit of music and some car keys

 

[Andyman]

From the results and what people say it sounds an excellent design but is really worth £1200? If it was £600-700 it'd would be good value for money as £1200 just seems a bit steep to make something a bit smoother.

I'm not trolling btw it's a genuine question, mainly at ppl who don't have them fitted but have been in them or have driven them without splashing the cash on the kit.

Exhaust, induction kit and a remap will see about a grand for not much in the way of gains so against this then i reckon its worth it imo

Pretty much even with cams in terms of peak gain?

 

[hatyy]

i've just read all the 3ad .........and just got a simple question.......... none of you fitted the rs2 on a cammed clio to combine the benefits of the two components?

 

[-J-]

i've just read all the 3ad .........and just got a simple question.......... none of you fitted the rs2 on a cammed clio to combine the benefits of the two components?

I dont think it has been done as yet, However Olivers cup is going in Monday for Cams and RS2.

Keep your eyes on this thread for updates -

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?489138-Ollie-s-Silver-Cup-JMS-RS2-428s-Wilwood-2118

Although I dont know when final results will be shown as Oliver will have to get up to Leeds for mapping once fitted.

 

[smitchell1]

Willie+'s 182 went in yesterday and is having cams combined with the RS2 inlet

 

[hatyy]

than let's wait the results......it should have a bit much torque in mid range with the rs2 ......also top end power should be better with the rs2 but i think differences will be only less than 10 hp ..

 

[yeecup]

dont believe the hype.

 

[corsapower]

Hiya guys, its me again!

Quick question, does the manifold come with magic beans or are they an optional extra?

 

[Sir_Dave]

dont believe the hype.

 

[-J-]

Hiya guys, its me again!

Quick question, does the manifold come with magic beans or are they an optional extra?

'corsapower' - That is all

 

[DanielG]

If you gents who don't believe any of it send me some money, I'll go get a dyno run done next week (ITG Maxogen, RS Tuner and Devil cat-back) and then go get another one after I fit and map my RS2. It's a bit f**king stupid comparing a car with previous engine mods against the RS2 and saying the gains aren't big... of course they're not.

The whole idea and appeal of it is for someone who hasn't done anything yet and wants a simple bolt on solution that'll give good gains. It might not be *that* great value for you UK folk, but for the $1500AUD this is gonna set me back it's a bargain. Getting cams fitted would cost a good $800-900aud more and ITB's well... lets not go there ($4500aud or so?)

 

[corsapower]

'corsapower' - That is all

Oh look, you posted a picture of a cat! And underneath the cat it says pmsl! And the cat, well the cat appears to be laughing!

Great stuff.

 

[yeecup]

If you gents who don't believe any of it send me some money, I'll go get a dyno run done next week (ITG Maxogen, RS Tuner and Devil cat-back) and then go get another one after I fit and map my RS2. It's a bit f**king stupid comparing a car with previous engine mods against the RS2 and saying the gains aren't big... of course they're not.

The whole idea and appeal of it is for someone who hasn't done anything yet and wants a simple bolt on solution that'll give good gains. It might not be *that* great value for you UK folk, but for the $1500AUD this is gonna set me back it's a bargain. Getting cams fitted would cost a good $800-900aud more and ITB's well... lets not go there ($4500aud or so?)

£4500, wtf?? TDF throttle body kit is £2500 fitted for a ph1 172. £800 more than the normal fitted price of jms inlet. ill save up the extra £800 and have serious gains and proper noise thanks.

 

[Russ_16v]

^^ he is talking in $ as he is in OZ, so im guessing that includes importing etc.

 

[DanielG]

£4500, wtf?? TDF throttle body kit is £2500 fitted for a ph1 172. £800 more than the normal fitted price of jms inlet. ill save up the extra £800 and have serious gains and proper noise thanks.

Out of interest (as I really have no idea, I've never bothered researching) does the TDF kit require a standalone ECU and is that inc in the 2500 pounds?

The other thing that adds to the cost of ITB's for us is the rather high cost of tuning in AUS.

 

[Sam_K]

Oh look, you posted a picture of a cat! And underneath the cat it says pmsl! And the cat, well the cat appears to be laughing!

Great stuff.

You have definately been to sarcastic school to be that witty

 

[yeecup]

yeah the £2500 is for everything, new ecu, fitting, mapped. its what im going to get.

 

[-J-]

You have definately been to sarcastic school to be that witty

Username says it all

 

[Dave Hester]

This thread is a perfect example why its such a waste of money tuning a 172/182 engine

£2.5k spent to get 15-20bhp is simply shocking

You can get an extra 20bhp on some turbo engines by fitting a £5 bleed valve

 

[Jamesstone]

£4500, wtf?? TDF throttle body kit is £2500 fitted for a ph1 172. £800 more than the normal fitted price of jms inlet. ill save up the extra £800 and have serious gains and proper noise thanks.

Do bare in mind the later 172's/ 182 had the cruise control fitted which for alot of owners is a nice feature. And as for "proper noise" i don't see why you feel the RS2 lacks there - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE7XBNlA__k

You can get an extra 20bhp on some turbo engines by fitting a £5 bleed valve

Yea good luck with that lasting more than 5 minutes

 

[Sir_Dave]

yeah the £2500 is for everything, new ecu, fitting, mapped. its what im going to get.

Just out of interest, have you driven an ITB'd car back to back with an RS2'd car?

Im assuming you have, to see what you prefer of course.

 

[Daz.]

£4500, wtf?? TDF throttle body kit is £2500 fitted for a ph1 172. £800 more than the normal fitted price of jms inlet. ill save up the extra £800 and have serious gains and proper noise thanks.

http://www.engine-dynamics.com/epag...ducts/"Clio Sport 172 / 182 Turbo Conversion"

 

[hatyy]

i had a turbo car in the past (punto gt)............and i thinks that turbo is for rwd or awd .......not for a fwd ......if you want to "drive" it

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

This thread is full of people that know what they are talking about its awesome

 

[TimR26]

I don't understand why people get so worked up about the RS2 :S

 

[BenG]

I don't understand why people get so worked up about the RS2 :S

Because people expect big increases in power for their money, clearly deluded.

A while back there were many people who wanted the increases in power and torque you got from ITB's but were not prepared to sacrifice traction control, cruise control and removing slam panel etc, the RS2 is the answer to this and to come pretty close to these figures without ITB's shows how good the design is, which Sir_Dave stated earlier, it's just a direct replacement for the standard manifold. Now people don't seem to understand the market for the product. You can't get more power/torque for cheaper than the RS2, it is therefore a competative price, no?

Further more, the quality of workmanship is superb, with the use of quality materials and custom colours.

 

[yeecup]

Just out of interest, have you driven an ITB'd car back to back with an RS2'd car?

Im assuming you have, to see what you prefer of course.

i assume u have an rs2?

 

[Laine_16v]

I might not rate the performance very well, but i cannot deny that it doesn't look smart, very swish looking product.

 

[Sir_Dave]

i assume u have an rs2?

Nope. I have neither, but i have driven both extensively, & therefore feel that i can offer a balanced view on the subject.

I also understand the market that the RS2 was aimed at, ie not the ITB market. This is what 99% of people on CS miss, hence the daft arguements.

 

[Russ_16v]

Nope. I have neither, but i have driven both extensively, & therefore feel that i can offer a balanced view on the subject.

I also understand the market that the RS2 was aimed at, ie not the ITB market. This is what 99% of people on CS miss, hence the daft arguements.

this.

the very simple mechanics are thus:

if you want more noise you get an exhaust and filter.

if you want more power/nicer drive on a standard 1*2 and dont want to comprimise any of the cars standard features then you get the rs2.

if you want even more power/noise and want the choice of going on to more power then you get itbs

if you want to challenge the uss enterprise at the lights you get a turbo or supercharger

simples.

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

if you want to challenge the uss enterprise at the lights you get a turbo or supercharger

until the day it breaks.....

 

[TimR26]

I might not rate the graphs very well, but i cannot deny that it doesn't look smart, very swish looking product.

EFA

 

[marc1330]

I think russ summed it up bout right tbh

 

[hatyy]

the thing is that people it's unable to appreciate 8 hp in mid range.................they only like to see Max hp 2xx .............

10 hp s at 5k rpm has more value than 10 at 7200 rpm ....if you don't believe it .....it's why you drive only in straight line ..

 

[gez 172]

i think it looks a very nice bit of kit, haven't driven one. so im not commenting on that side of things. Its not bad money, just think of the FRP's inlet people buy 6-8bhp gain and thats around the £800-900 mark + mapping to get the proper gain. works out around the same.

 

[Andyman]

This thread is a perfect example why its such a waste of money tuning a 172/182 engine

£2.5k spent to get 15-20bhp is simply shocking

You can get an extra 20bhp on some turbo engines by fitting a £5 bleed valve

Wouldn't say it was shocking. Anything without forced induction is always going to cost more vs fewer gains but turbo's arn't the be all and end all. They have their own hurdles, lag, mpg etc etc

20 bhp up on a stock 172 / 182 and it'll be a very fun car