Konis vs cup shocks

[Ph1 Tom]

Currently on new cup shocks and Cooksport springs, its nice on the road but on track I'd like a little more from it without going to coilovers.

Are the Koni shocks a decent improvement over Cup shocks? They have damping adjustment which would be useful for track.

 

[Nick172Cup]

Great shocks and very versatile, fully soft shouldn't be any harsher on the road than cup dampers but will go nice and stuff when on circuit.

 

[Midnight]

Interesting, so you wouldn't recommend the 'cup' suspension with aftermarket lowering springs?

 

[Nick172Cup]

Interesting, so you wouldn't recommend the 'cup' suspension with aftermarket lowering springs?

Cup shocks are £140 odd quid for a set which is a lot cheaper than the Konis. I have a set of cup shocks and cooksport springs and its a good setup, though I'm expecting the cooksports to eat the shocks soon enough as in my experience any lowering spring ruins standard dampers.

If you can afford the Konis over standard cup shocks I'd go that route every time.

 

[MartinR]

Konis job done no comparison needed.

 

[bozothenutter]

are koni's still that good?
all I hear here in holland is thgat they are a shadow of their former selves quality and development wise.....

 

[Ph1 Tom]

I thought they were still decent? They make the shocks for FK too.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

I've noticed trophy users get them revalved. Any reason for thst?

 

[not normal dan]

I've noticed trophy users get them revalved. Any reason for thst?

That's usually if there running mark fish setup so there matched to his springs

 

[Pauleds]

I've got konis on my cup with sport line springs. Fully hard they are brilliant on track but makes it a bit twitchy on the road. Softened up a bit and they are great on the road too.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

That's usually if there running mark fish setup so there matched to his springs

I can't imagine the Cooksport springs being much different to the MF springs, perhaps a bit harder.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

I've got konis on my cup with sport line springs. Fully hard they are brilliant on track but makes it a bit twitchy on the road. Softened up a bit and they are great on the road too.

Might have to invest in a set.

 

[skydiver]

Koni..........

 

[Jamie86]

Loved my konis with cup springs, nice and soft to drive to the track, adjust them up hammer it all day and then a nice comfy drive home

 

[amullally]

Koni sad they shocks will not fit a cup or Trophy ???

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Just the 182 cup and trophy, they fit the 172 cup.

 

[Tin cup]

Where do you get koni's for the clio cup then, I emailed larkspeed and they said koni don't make suspension kits for a clio mk2 cup

 

[Matt e]

Where do you get koni's for the clio cup then, I emailed larkspeed and they said koni don't make suspension kits for a clio mk2 cup

Answered your own question there

Koni don't make them for the 182 cup/full fat as it's different spacing, the normal Koni for the 172/182 will fit a 172 cup and spacing is the same

 

[r0ss172]

I had Koni's on my 172 turbo, and i have to say the difference in the cars handling when adjusted was very noticeable!

Ive had 2 182's now with cup pack suspension. I put some Apex lowering springs on the 1st one and it firmed up the ride and decreased body roll to the point it felt just like the Koni's on Eibach Sportlines with the shocks on as stiff as they can go. With the Konis on full soft it felt just like driving a Cup Packed 182 with OEM Shocks and springs.

My honest opinion, unless youre doing 10-15 track days a year and are trying to be really quick id say the cost doesnt justify the expense of a set of new Koni's. For me it would be a case of keep your new cup shocks, get some stiffer springs (cooksports seem to be the craze at the moment) and you will get 95% of the Koni's performance/benefit at a fraction of the cost.

All IMHO of course

 

[Tin cup]

So I'd just order 172 koni suspension and that would fit

 

[r0ss172]

http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=610

These were the Koni's i had on my 172 turbo

 

[Matt e]

£434 delivered from larkspeed

 

[r0ss172]

Fair enough, id still rather save £300 and stick with cup shocks tbh

 

[George Welsh]

I used to rate koni adjust quite high. However in my other car (panda 100hp) with 888 and eibach springs the first set lasted less than 25K km not miles.
No track days just some recces for tarmac rallies and the rears started pissing oil. I changed the rears thinking that it might be a bad batch. After 10K km the front ones were dead. I dont beleive that they are of the same quality that they used to be 10 yrs ago. The importer in Greece started about high temperatures and that the tyre weight affected them and all sort of crap. What a tosser.


Just my 2c

 

[p@blo]

Are the current Koni yellows still just oil filled or are they pressurising them now?

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Just fitted mine, they are oil filled from what I can tell.

 

[p@blo]

Just fitted mine, they are oil filled from what I can tell.

Were yours pressurised Tom?

 

[Ph1 Tom]

I could push them in and they wouldn't push back out, not like the standard ones do.

 

[p@blo]

I could push them in and they wouldn't push back out, not like the standard ones do.

Cheers Tom.