Ktec style induction kit? lets clear this one up?

[Ryanph1rs]

Right I'm running the very nice jms v6 air box I've seen loads of people running the ktec style one. My question is would it be better than the v6 one I love the open filter noise but ultimately is about performance the maxogen any good? Read hundreds of these threads inc the fast car stickey but doesn't seem enough was tested in different ways so please post opinions and experiences but I don't want this to become a slanging match remember every one is in titled to their own opinions discuss please

 

[Bluebeard]

There's a sticky at the top of this section. Don't waste your money.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?445339-Fastcar-Clio-172-Air-Filter-Test

 

[Dan519]

There's a sticky at the top of this section. Don't waste your money.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?445339-Fastcar-Clio-172-Air-Filter-Test

Magazine test......lol impartial. I've done my own testing and it depends on more than just the filter. Engine spec changes induction requirements

 

[Bluebeard]

But either way, it's a waste of money.

The only reason is fit an induction kit if sorts, is to make noise. And if that's the only reason to fit one, but the cheapest available.

IMO obviously.

 

[Chip-mk1]

People do seem to live throwing hundred of pounds at these engines in a desperate attempt to get just a few bhp.


They really dont lend themselves well to tuning on the cheap, as Daniel says if you want looks or noise then fair enough give it a go, but for actual performance with these engines either do something dramatic or dont bother IMHO!

 

[Ryanph1rs]

Agree totally with what your saying dan and chip perhaps I should rephrase * as stated in the fast car test a loss of 3ftlbs of torque and 2odd bhp have people fitted a kit to the manner of the ktec style one " not the heat soaked £19.99 cheapo ones " and felt the car under performed and was sluggish or have they felt it revved more freely? The noise is point of this every one loves induction noise its just ...... so to elaborate No of course your not going to get 10 bhp more only a fool would believe so but would you really loose a noticeable amount of power from such style of intake Im more interested in people opinions of what they've got or found works the best hopefully we will all be able to list the top 5 in order of money and possibly get a sticky done to say these are the score based on user rating etc thus we will end these does my k&n really add bhp threads....

 

[leeds_182]

I love my ktec one, it sounds awesome.

 

[Bluebeard]

But either way, it's a waste of money.

The only reason is fit an induction kit if sorts, is to make noise. And if that's the only reason to fit one, but the cheapest available.

IMO obviously.

My English is terrible. Stupid fat fingers.

 

[Rhys Beal]

I ran on the same rollers with an ITG panel in a standard air box and then with a copied K&N typhoon setup and made 10.9bhp and 14ft lbs of torque. Trusted rollers too, and yes I couldn't believe the results either when everyone says that there isn't much room for improvement over standard

 

[Greeny.]

I ran on the same rollers with an ITG panel in a standard air box and then with a copied K&N typhoon setup and made 10.9bhp and 14ft lbs of torque. Trusted rollers too, and yes I couldn't believe the results either when everyone says that there isn't much room for improvement over standard

You're right that is BS :O) Im sure there was something else up with your car when it first run as it was so underpowered.

 

[Dan519]

You're right that is BS :O) Im sure there was something else up with your car when it first run as it was so underpowered.

track car made unusually good figures here too with very long induction. It makes a significant difference

 

[mi16chris]

Dotted line is with my ktec style set up other is with a stock air box and itg filter

Was done back to back on the dyno with in 5 mins of each other , as u can see it made about 2 hp more with the ktec style kit at high rpm but lost it at low rpm so really there's not much in it

 

[Greeny.]

I got around 4bhp with my Ktec filter fitted which was a decent gain in clio terms, couldn't be arsed to make my own tbh, been there done that

 

[MartinR]

Not ran on the same day but same RR, but mine with itg panel Filter and samco hose ran 179.4bhp.

Then with the actual k-tec induction kit fitted it made 181.5bhp. So a 2.9bhp increase lol.

But there was a few others at our RRday that had bhp increases over previous runs some pretty significant too.
There was one that made 10bhp less since fitting it lol.

One thing though the quality and finishing of the product is s**t. If you want one make one yourself put a sticker with your name on it and sell them for a price of a small diamond.

 

[Greeny.]

Not ran on the same day but same RR, but mine with itg panel Filter and samco hose ran 179.4bhp.

Then with the actual k-tec induction kit fitted it made 181.5bhp. So a 2.9bhp increase lol.

But there was a few others at our RRday that had bhp increases over previous runs some pretty significant too.
There was one that made 10bhp less since fitting it lol.

One thing though the quality and finishing of the product is s**t. If you want one make one yourself put a sticker with your name on it and sell them for a price of a small diamond.

Lol, its the filter that's overpriced tbh, the elbow is £90 on its own iirc.

 

[Ryanph1rs]

Aalot of interesting results coming on here today I experimented with a home made style k tec I used some flexi silicone hose and moved my viper induction kit to the same location behind the light I left enough room to run the cold air feed up but left that disconnected by the filter and on the road the noise on throttle is awesome and the torque feels better too feels to have smoothed out also after a very spirited 10mile drive the engine was roasting but the filter was relatively cool to the touch and surprising the pipe work wasn't very hot either.... So as a personal opinion I feel as the ktec style induction kit is very good it would be excellent to see some graphs etc to have evidence of such events

 

[Bluebeard]

But why do you want to see graphs? If my clio made 10hp less than yours, we wouldn't be able to tell out on the road or on a track day. 10bhp/4ft lbs of torque makes fcuk all difference in my opinion. Unless you're racing in a championship where every miniscule detail is needed obviously. But then if you were racing you wouldn't be wanting an induction kit! lol.

I'm not rubbishing Ktec's work, as it clearly works well (and sounds demonic! :evil, i'm just saying that the money could be more wisely spent on a clio.

 

[Ryanph1rs]

I only ask for graphs is such sence so it can show a proven gain or loss the numbers don't matter anyhow it's how big your balls are and for me brakes are the best investment big stopping power and good suspension cuz there the only things that are going to save you... However in this sence compared to bodies and cams and mapping its a cheap bolt on mod for a bitta giggle I can't agree enough it's massivly overpriced by about 50quid I'd say however I did say k tec style as alot of people on here have made their own and with awsome looks under the bay.

 

[Maccy]

I only got mine for the noise, doubt there's any gains on mine (although it's massively underpowered anyway!)

 

[Chip-mk1]

Unless you have 3 before runs and 3 after that are consistant, I'd take any gain of a few percent with a pinch of salt, so many things can effect it by more than that.

Just having a hot inlet from the car manoeuvring about getting onto rollers and ran straight etc on one run then not on the next can make 10bhp or more difference on a clio with that huge lump of ally inlet.


Some of the gains people believe from these are just laughable and IMHO show either their old filter was dirty enough to lose power, or there is simply a misreading with the rollers.


People put FAR too much emphasis on quirky rolling road results. According to this thread one person gained 10bhp, and one lost 10bhp and others made or loss 2bhp.
Which results are you going to believe? The one you want to generally IME, lol

 

[Greeny.]

4bhp peek gain here baby! Seems more realistic, BUT WHO KNOWS? WHO CARES?

 

[Wick]

Read the cliosporticle on filter location as well.

As above though. Give or take 10bhp is going to make next to naff all difference.

 

[msremmert]

I have one. I put the 98Ron map on my car and the ktec kit around the same time.
​Ktec kit is a massively overpriced and cheap feeling piece of kit but when I removed it the car felt broken and sounded boring so I put it back. Make of that what you will.

 

[Gandi69]

Looks like you could make a clone of the ktec kit yourself quite easily and cheaply imo

 

[Chip-mk1]

Looks like you could make a clone of the ktec kit yourself quite easily and cheaply imo

As people were doing ages before ktec brought it out TBH, it wasnt ktecs idea in the first place, lol.

 

[Gandi69]

​makes me think that if someone had created one themselves it would get laughed at for being a bodge but with the ktec stamp of approval then its ok. I dont have anything against K-tec mind you, fair play to them for making money!
Cant be as bad as the chap with a plastic bucket around a cone filter though!

 

[imprezaworks]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?624946-*FAIL*-Clio-Mods

 

[Adamm.]

Looks like you could make a clone of the ktec kit yourself quite easily and cheaply imo

But it might not flow the same as the ktec one.

 

[imprezaworks]

Here we go......again.....

 

[Chip-mk1]

But it might not flow the same as the ktec one.

If its same length and shape and same diameter hole, its not going to flow differently so long as you use a good quality filter on the end.

 

[Gandi69]

But it might not flow the same as the ktec one.

perhaps not but as pointed out previously in the thread, the differences these things make are so minimal and only offer a noise differences really. Thats why I stick to the standard air box and different filter element

 

[Adamm.]

Same reason I stuck with standard too and I'm to tight considering the ph1 airbox with no CAF makes enough noise to keep me happy. I'd love to have one though just need to prioritise other things.

Don't quite understand why they get slated though? Because they're expensive? Well no not really because look at most aftermarket induction kits and they're stupid priced for little or no gain compared to the Ktec one (pipercross viper for example) I personally think it's a good bit of kit and if you have the money to buy one I don't see the issue.

 

[imprezaworks]

 

[Gandi69]

to be fair the Ktec one isnt too badly priced if you compare it to a BMC or an ITG maxogen, but £160-170~ for what is essentially a bit of silicone induction piping and a £30 foam filter its not for me

 

[Adamm.]

But they're a business out there to make money just like everybody else of course you could make your own for a fraction of the price but clearly not everyone wants too and they prefer to buy the kit as a whole. Nothing wrong with that at all IMO. Plus you mention being costly for what is essentially a silicone pipe and filter but have you seen the cost of some things? Example.. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-Blue-Plastic-Plug-Clip-1719386-/290754817415?hash=item43b2566d87

 

[Greeny.]

Don't quite understand why they get slated though? Because they're expensive? Well no not really because look at most aftermarket induction kits and they're stupid priced for little or no gain compared to the Ktec one (pipercross viper for example) I personally think it's a good bit of kit and if you have the money to buy one I don't see the issue.

I would imagine because:

Its overpriced for what it is.
People like to jump on the 'we hate K-tec' bandwagon.

I personally would only buy parts from them if something was keenly priced, just due to how far they are away fro me and some of the stories and their previous ITB installs ive seen. But I don't hold anything against them personally.

 

[Chip-mk1]

If you dont mind paying the premium ktec are good parts suppliers to deal with, prompt delivery etc.

 

[Adamm.]

I would imagine because:

Its overpriced for what it is.
People like to jump on the 'we hate K-tec' bandwagon.

Yup and I'd imagine it's the latter lol.

Ktec aren't exactly expensive on everything are they maybe a few parts just like most businesses. As I say they have to make money to become successful and it clearly works for ktec as they seem to get plenty of customers.

All I can say to a few on here is don't ever run a business lol, you will fail.

 

[Gandi69]

I have nothing against them and would use them for certain parts if they had them in stock. I just I think some of their items are quite pricey for what they are

 

[Chip-mk1]

I dont think anyone is saying that ktec is "wrong" for making money, merely pointing out that if you can be bothered to do so then you can achieve the same for far less money.
If you want the simple option though, just be prepared to pay more for it.