late night christmas shopping - naughty Mikey

[Silent_Scone]

Yeah the 7xxx series is due any day now, not really an AMD fan here though



it's a 360 radiator loop with dual bay pump/res, idle on this chip is obviously a fair bit lower than your bloomfield one. Even at 4.6Ghz and a couple .200 volts through it at 32c . 4.7 seems to be the limit for the motherboard to figure out on it's own so it's play time from there on in, I doubt I'll hit 5 without running into some gash temps

 

[Addicted]

Damn that's impressive, but tbh do you really need more than 4.7 anyway?

Yea i just read up on the 7xxx series, crap performance for the jump to 28nm (only a 1/3 faster than 6xxx lol), Nvidia will be on top again it seems when they bring out their 28nm!

What dual res/pump combo was it? I had the XSPC but that died on me last week so I bit the bullet and went for a Llaing D5, never going back Though i made the mistake of going for another single bay res, problem is the water is going through so quick if the PC isn't angled it will force air in due to the lack of volume(I literally can't fill it with anymore water than it has already), so I'm going to change to a proper Res after Xmas i think!)

 

[Darren S]

I need water cooling.....

D.

 

[Silent_Scone]

It's the XSPC dual bay res/pump. Had it for a few months now. Main thing is the pump is ample for my requirements but also it's dead quiet too.

Darren, definitely - I've not once gone back to air for the 4 years I've used water. Even when running stock you get much better temps especially after a massive marathon of games

 

[Gareth]

Laing D5 is a good pump, to do water properly isn't cheap but well worth it.

 

[Turkish]

You sir - are officially f**king awesome. :hail:

No doubt some people on here stuck in 2005 will state that their current console cost the same as the box that that mobo comes in. Balls to 'em. Following that philosophy, we'd all be cheering our black & white TVs as being 'good enough'.

Inbreds....

D.

Yes clearly because none of us were pissed off when Sony and MS made statements about the lifespan of the current gen when patently it's done and the hardware desperately out of date and we want the next platform to hurry up and arrive. I'm sure I posted something to that effect about 18 months ago.

I don't see why some on here feel the need to look down their nose at someone who isn't running some uber high spec PC for their gaming hardware. I could have bought a fairly epic machine for what I just spent on my i7 27" iMac for instance. Some of us simply choose to spend our cash in different ways and it makes us no less of a gamer nor an inbred just because we aren't doing so on a custom built, water cooled, neon equipped gaming geeks wet dream.

More on topic to the OP, is there any decent footage up on YouTube or Vimeo demonstrating the kind of visuals that spec of hardware can kick out?

 

[Silent_Scone]

neons belong of ricers, none of that here . It's the technology that is inbred not the people that choose to use it. Don't forget what goes around comes around.. The PS3 was equivalent to about 2k worth of PC hardware at launch.


I'll get some screenshots up later, theres a few videos of comparisons to a few newer games. Batman Arkham City looks jaw dropping with DirectX11

 

[Gareth]

Does it work ok in DX11 though? Even with 580 SLI it was a joke at release, big issues.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Yep it's been patched since, performance is much better, even with physx enabled.

 

[Turkish]

neons belong of ricers, none of that here . It's the technology that is inbred not the people that choose to use it. Don't forget what goes around comes around.. The PS3 was equivalent to about 2k worth of PC hardware at launch.


I'll get some screenshots up later, theres a few videos of comparisons to a few newer games. Batman Arkham City looks jaw dropping with DirectX11

While I don't take a huge amount of interest in what the cutting edge of PC rigs can do as I've zero intention of going back to PC gaming but I certainly am interested in the trickle down for consoles. The stuff knocking about on PC's currently gives a good indication to what the next gen consoles will be able to kick out especially when the devs have one known spec to optimise for.

 

[Darren S]

Yes clearly because none of us were pissed off when Sony and MS made statements about the lifespan of the current gen when patently it's done and the hardware desperately out of date and we want the next platform to hurry up and arrive. I'm sure I posted something to that effect about 18 months ago.

I don't see why some on here feel the need to look down their nose at someone who isn't running some uber high spec PC for their gaming hardware. I could have bought a fairly epic machine for what I just spent on my i7 27" iMac for instance. Some of us simply choose to spend our cash in different ways and it makes us no less of a gamer nor an inbred just because we aren't doing so on a custom built, water cooled, neon equipped gaming geeks wet dream.

More on topic to the OP, is there any decent footage up on YouTube or Vimeo demonstrating the kind of visuals that spec of hardware can kick out?

He bites.

I merely fly the flag for PC owners and people like Scone, Munson, Gareth, et al who pump £££ into their PCs to see what can be achieved. Consolers seem uber-keen for the 'argument' that PCs need upgrading every four weeks - which is as incorrect as it is pathetic. There is no need at all to do that - and as I posted myself before too, the key reason for the holding back of games development more than anything else is due the multi-platform nature of releases these days. When for the vast majority of games of out there, our hands are tied (read: limited) because the game in question has to be capable of running on the two other consoles - it does get a little frustrating. I'm sure you'd find it just as annoying if you used Photoshop on your 27" iMac, only to discover that most of its functionality is limited to 800x600 resolution, 16-bit colour, 512MB of memory and uses just one core of your i7 - simply so it could run on lesser spec hardware for the people who 'don't see the need to spend circa £1.8k+ on a Mac'. You would feel even more pissed when not just Photoshop, but a whole RAFT of other prime Mac software is compromised - sometimes to the point of being unusable, just so the masses with their £299 Dell laptops could also run a variation of the same software too.

Don't forget, I have a 360 myself. But it is nothing more than an occasional curiosity when I feel like playing some Forza on a large plasma TV. Other than that, it simply doesn't compare to the PC market that I have actively followed (and continue to follow) for nearly 20 years. You spend your hard earned on the Bitten Fruit's next release. I'll spend mine on PC hardware and remain true to the cause.

D.

 

[Turkish]

Horses for courses tbh. I seriously couldn't give a toss how people spend their electronic toy budget, we all have different wants out of our gear.

I did the whole PC gaming thing and frankly got tired of the associated investment (time and financial) required. Gaming is something I do which I personally want to be as low maintenance as possible, I want to buy a disk throw it in play the game and enjoy myself. I'm not concerned about having the cutting edge frame rate and resolution as the trade off in cost and time fiddling about trying to optimise it to the hardware I have is to me personally time I'd sooner spend actually playing the game.

I just tire of the trolling done by people over formats, we're all gamers, we use different platforms, who gives a s**t. If it's not PC vs console it's Xbox vs PS3 vs Wii. It's the same hobby whichever route you take to suit your personal situation.

Consoles can't be holding you back that much or you wouldn't be investing in your uber high spec rigs, if they were surely such investment would be pointless and make you a bit foolish?

 

[welshname]

Sorry, but at what point did you deem it necessary to ruin a perfectly quiet thread aimed at PC gamers, to start an argument?

Completely no need for it at all, Darren was having a joke, it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, and you did EXACTLY what he was joking about.

If you have nothing positive to bring to the thread, don't post.

 

[Turkish]

Who made you a mod? I'll post what the f**k I like sweetcheeks.

 

[welshname]

Who made you a mod? I'll post what the f**k I like sweetcheeks.

God, one day, I hope to be just as cool as you...

 

[Silent_Scone]

lol it's ok, not really an argument. It's a lot easier just not to bother these days I'll give you that... I've done it occasionally especially when the 360 was newer, but I like to tweak... the customisation and modding community give games that extra value that you just don't see on consoles. Sure theres DLC, but you have to pay for all that jazz.


I don't think you can really say that spending out is the problem with PC gaming - you don't honestly have to spend that much to get a capable machine - I just like to go a bit mental lol.

 

[Darren S]

Who made you a mod? I'll post what the f**k I like sweetcheeks.

Steady on. We were having good banter here. We don't need to lower the tone, do we?

D.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Actually Apple seem to have no problem ditching their old hardware. G4/5 aren't even supported these days iirc lol

 

[Gareth]

It's a PC thread, they all end up the same way these days.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Why pay more when you can settle for less?

Because I'm not 14

 

[Turkish]

lol it's ok, not really an argument. It's a lot easier just not to bother these days I'll give you that... I've done it occasionally especially when the 360 was newer, but I like to tweak... the customisation and modding community give games that extra value that you just don't see on consoles. Sure theres DLC, but you have to pay for all that jazz.


I don't think you can really say that spending out is the problem with PC gaming - you don't honestly have to spend that much to get a capable machine - I just like to go a bit mental lol.

I do understand the benefits and pitfalls of each, it would just be nice if people on both sides of the fence could accept that we all have our own reasons for choosing the PC or console route rather than the snide/condescending comments that are made about it (not aimed at you).

As for G4/G5 I know the G5 is not unsupported as such, OSX tiger is going that way but certainly on the G5 you could install Leopard if you wished which is still supported. It's no huge surprise that they aren't supported strongly now given that they are the last of the power pc processor equipped machines before Apple went intel.

 

[SharkyUK]

I like to fly the flag for the consoles as they do seem to take a beating but I don't really care to be honest (that is, which platform I'm on) as long as I'm enjoying the game I'm playing. I am very fortunate in that I get some good hardware to play with so that has dampened my enthusiasm for tweaking and optimising; it seems a bit of a pointless exercise for *me* personally. For a lot of hardcore PC gamers it's more than just about gaming though... it's about the hardware and cutting-edge tech available and that's what annoys me when things descend into PC vs. console arguments. The line becomes blurred, lines get crossed, a lot of misinformation and plain wrong information gets posted, and it descends in the same arguments and counter-arguments. As Turkish says, horses for courses and I'm glad we all like different shizzle. Variety is the spice of life and all that. Happy New Year! *hic*

 

[Silent_Scone]

Long winded way of saying faster is better

 

[Silent_Scone]

Well gigabyte are recalling 3 of their 4 x79 boards due to cheap voltage regulating components which can cause the board to more or leas catch fire lol. There's a bios which helps by down clocking when extreme stress is detected. Which is s**t obviously... Back to scan it goes

 

[SharkyUK]

Well gigabyte are recalling 3 of their 4 x79 boards due to cheap voltage regulating components which can cause the board to more or leas catch fire lol. There's a bios which helps by down clocking when extreme stress is detected. Which is s**t obviously... Back to scan it goes

Oops! Glad it's been detected now rather than turning your pad into charcoal! Are you looking to replace with the same setup (albeit with the proper regulators) or going for something else?

 

[Silent_Scone]

Oops! Glad it's been detected now rather than turning your pad into charcoal! Are you looking to replace with the same setup (albeit with the proper regulators) or going for something else?

Not taking that risk and going for the ASUS Sabortooth. I've always been an ASUS fan, it was only up until my last LGA1366 board which was Gigabyte, and turned out to be trouble free - so thought I'd go with them again. Turns out that was a bad move.

Gigabyte IMO are talking out of their arses as far as this is concerened. The boards were delayed which I was a little concerened about, but not only that; it states that the new BIOS will cripple the overclock if it detects stress on the VRM. Which I noticed the other day whilst prime95 was running on my overclock (with the original/launch BIOS). I reckon they knew about it from the off...

Industry is full of bulls**t tbh lol

 

[SharkyUK]

Not taking that risk and going for the ASUS Sabortooth. I've always been an ASUS fan, it was only up until my last LGA1366 board which was Gigabyte, and turned out to be trouble free - so thought I'd go with them again. Turns out that was a bad move.

Gigabyte IMO are talking out of their arses as far as this is concerened. The boards were delayed which I was a little concerened about, but not only that; it states that the new BIOS will cripple the overclock if it detects stress on the VRM. Which I noticed the other day whilst prime95 was running on my overclock (with the original/launch BIOS). I reckon they knew about it from the off...

Industry is full of bulls**t tbh lol

Yeah, sounds a bit 'suspect' as far as Gigabyte are concerned. I started out with Gigabyte motherboards way back when but after a couple of catastrophic failures I went ASUS and have used their motherboards ever since. I was planning to upgrade the PC the end of last year (the first 'proper' upgrade in a few years) but the problems with the Trophy put an end to that. Maybe later this (2012) year... Also contemplating going water-cooled as I've only ever used optimal air-cooling before. Hmm...

 

[Darren S]

Yeah, sounds a bit 'suspect' as far as Gigabyte are concerned. I started out with Gigabyte motherboards way back when but after a couple of catastrophic failures I went ASUS and have used their motherboards ever since. I was planning to upgrade the PC the end of last year (the first 'proper' upgrade in a few years) but the problems with the Trophy put an end to that. Maybe later this (2012) year... Also contemplating going water-cooled as I've only ever used optimal air-cooling before. Hmm...

You sound in the same boat as me, m8! Tended to stick with Asus mobos myself as well, though I have dabbled with MSI and Gigabyte before now. Never did try DFI back in their day, though.

D.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Well in an utterly ironic turn of events the asus P79x pro I picked up is faulty. The CPU goes into limp mode and wont prime, so I've reverted back to the gigabyte UD5. It's been a complete saga and the design is riddled with flaws. I having to actively cool the VRM as it gets baking hot when Overclockd and have stuck with 4.6ghz as I'm happy with the temps I'm getting. Also contending with a few chipset issues

Not been a pleasant upgrade this time round lol. Sloppy and rushed and I expect to see a new chipset very soon

 

[Darren S]

Well in an utterly ironic turn of events the asus P79x pro I picked up is faulty. The CPU goes into limp mode and wont prime, so I've reverted back to the gigabyte UD5. It's been a complete saga and the design is riddled with flaws. I having to actively cool the VRM as it gets baking hot when Overclockd and have stuck with 4.6ghz as I'm happy with the temps I'm getting. Also contending with a few chipset issues

Not been a pleasant upgrade this time round lol. Sloppy and rushed and I expect to see a new chipset very soon

Wow - doesn't sound good!

I suppose being at the cutting edge always has potential risks and issues. But even so - the problems with the VRM you would have thought would be fixed and addressed long before release?

D.

 

[SharkyUK]

Unlucky mate I have a wonderful MSI jobbie that your are welcome to have if you want it... comes pre-assembled with a Pentium 66, half gig of ram and a Cirrus Logic 24-bit colour graphics card and a Power VR 3D daughter board. A special bit of kit I think you'll agree.

 

[Silent_Scone]

lol! No ta..


The apparent limp issue still remained after switching back to the Gigabyte board.. enabled a few features for the CPU in the UD-5 BIOS such as VT-D, I/OAST and coherency support and it seemed to fix itself, all cores seem to be under the right amount of stress under prime again. Changed to the ASUS board again, and without changing anything in the BIOS all seems well at the moment..

I don't like it when things fix themselves least I don't have to RMA the ASUS board

 

[Silent_Scone]

What with having 32GB of system memory kicking about, I've created a small Ramdisk around 12gb to run Battlefield on

It's a bit fast...

 

[Darren S]

What with having 32GB of system memory kicking about, I've created a small Ramdisk around 12gb to run Battlefield on

It's a bit fast...

Lol! I might try that. Though I do only have 18GB in here at the minute....

D.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Go for it

Although obviously having 4 channels does mean X79 has awesome memory bandwidth . Be interesting to see how it compared to your system. My Corsair Vengeance is running at it's rated 1600mhz 1.5v with my timings set manually...XMP profiles tend to be a bit aggressive and it didn't like my overclock much

 

[Silent_Scone]

upgrading pump / res and opted for a 420 rad to assist me in getting to 5ghz





D5 pump in drive bay res

 

[Darren S]

Awesome.

D.

 

[Silent_Scone]

When I can be arsed to take it apart again lol

 

[mantis946]

NZXT <3 Need to get a few to finish off the phantom

 

[Silent_Scone]

They're decent fans, and relatively quiet without being piss weak lol

Just to give you an idea of the heat I'm going to be dispatching at 5ghz due to needing close to 1.5v, at present my current 360 setup @ stock will idle around 19-21c, and currently isn't enough to dispatch the heat that comes with those volts!

It's not the greatest CPU to overclock