he he I remember the thread where a jap car was reduced to chassis and bare minimum. No bonnet ... not sure about aerodynamics... would look like a right to**er driving in town like that. More seriously, the crash test argument makes sense. Id still like to get my hands on one though. Were they for the 172 mk2? Re the carbon one, theyre £600 and I would definitely have them painted. so thats another £100+. Not much value.