Michelin pilot 4 tyres, any good in the wet ?

[shiftspark]

I need some tyres for the MINI and fancy MPS4 as a road tyre and can be used as winter/wet track tyre ? Are they any good or would you recommend something else ? I presume Rainsports are good in the wet or cold but what are they like on a winter track if its dry ?
Cheers

 

[Stefan.]

Best tyres I've had!

More then fine in the rain

 

[chris blue]

I have PS4s all round on my daily, and theyre fine. Better than most others Ive had, other than the PS3s as it happens- slightly preferred the PS3s

PS4s seem pretty good in both rain and dry, other than can be a little noisy i find. Nothin exceptional, just a bit rumbly.

I would have them again

 

[shiftspark]

They seem to get good all round reviews so probably go with them or maybe AD08RS but I am sure a few have said they were not that impressed by them

 

[Stefan.]

They seem to get good all round reviews so probably go with them or maybe AD08RS but I am sure a few have said they were not that impressed by them

I've got them on the trophy, they don't compare.

If michelin did the ps4 in 16 I'd have those

 

[MarkCup]

Unless I'm really sharp on the throttle, on my M140i the PS4 tyres stay hooked the entire way through second gear.

They're mightily impressive in the wet.

I honestly have no idea how they can do that, they seem to have almost as much grip in the wet as they do in the dry.

I've not done a wet trackday on them yet, but might get a chance early December depending on lockdown etc. If so, I'm kinda hoping it's a wet day.

 

[shiftspark]

Are they PS4 or PS4 S

 

[Paulie031]

They're an epic tyre, had them on my M5 and couldn't get the rear wheels to spin up in the dry

 

[MarkCup]

Are they PS4 or PS4 S

Mine?

PS4. I can't get the S in a size that fits my standard rims.

I understand the S to be like the non S, but with some actual sidewall structure.

That's the only minor downside that I can find to the PS4. Soft and squidgy, especially on track. On the road though, they're epic. Super comfy.

 

[f0xy]

I need some tyres for the MINI and fancy MPS4 as a road tyre and can be used as winter/wet track tyre ? Are they any good or would you recommend something else ? I presume Rainsports are good in the wet or cold but what are they like on a winter track if its dry ?
Cheers

Get PS4 over rain sports for circuit use, they are just too soft. I've switched between both for years (well, for wet use). They are average on a dry track, as with any road tyres, but I suppose that depends how fast you are going and level your at. You can get them warm quickly.

I've ran PS4 on road cars since they were released... currently have no problem doing 20-25k with them @ 400hp/750nm 535d in the wet either!

 

[davo172]

Get PS4 over rain sports for circuit use, they are just too soft. I've switched between both for years (well, for wet use). They are average on a dry track, as with any road tyres, but I suppose that depends how fast you are going and level your at. You can get them warm quickly.

I've ran PS4 on road cars since they were released... currently have no problem doing 20-25k with them @ 400hp/750nm 535d in the wet either!

They last 20 25k on that?!

 

[brisa4984]

Very good

 

[McGherkin]

Open diff 400lbft FWD. Hooks 2nd in the wet and on rare occasions 1st if you roll the throttle on gently.

Incredible tyre.

 

[bozothenutter]

If michelin did the ps4 in 16 I'd have those

this x 1000

 

[JB21]

PS4's are brilliant in the wet, and dry for that matter. The only better road tyre in the wet IME is the Rainsport 5, however these are nowhere near as good in the dry but not terrible like the old Rainsport 3 which were far to soft.

 

[imprezaworks]

These of the f1 Goodyear 5 will eventually by next tyre

 

[Adamm.]

They are pretty good tyres not the miracle worker some are saying in here mind but they will grip quite easily in a straight line. Comparing it to dry in the corners though it's not even close imo but then what tyre is? I'll be replacing with them again when they're due a change. Have considered Rainsport 5 but the dry grip compromise wouldn't be worth it I don't think.

 

[RSRowe]

They are pretty good tyres not the miracle worker some are saying in here mind

what makes you say this?
what would you suggest is better?

 

[f0xy]

They last 20 25k on that?!

Yes, I suppose it depends how you drive... I don't launch it every time I set off!
The key I found with any of them is alignment... the E series I had previously and F series are terrible for tyre wear otherwise.

 

[R3k1355]

Bad alignment munched through my PS4's, common issue on Mk5/6 Golf platform cars tho.

 

[clio tyres]

I presume Rainsports are good in the wet or cold but what are they like on a winter track if its dry ?

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[Adamm.]

what makes you say this?
what would you suggest is better?

If you noticed in my post you'd see I said I'll be replacing mine with them again so I'm not suggesting anything is better. The rainsports could arguably be better in the wet but as I said the dry grip compromise wouldn't be worth it imo. I only said that because some of the comments in here would have you believe they grip in the wet as well as they do in the dry and I feel like I'm staying the obvious here but that's not true .

 

[RSRowe]

I did read your post, I just thought with your last one that you were implying you had another alternative.

 

[chris blue]

They are pretty good tyres not the miracle worker some are saying in here mind but they will grip quite easily in a straight line.

Agreed- they are a good tyre (My experience is just roaduse not track) but not sure they are a a panacea, as Adam says
They are good both straight and cornering, good wet, but for track use ive not got experience bcos they are then pushed to the limit
Certainly worth the money

 

[plenty]

I did read your post, I just thought with your last one that you were implying you had another alternative.

The Goodyear F1 Supersports are at least on a par for dry/wet grip and potentially better depending on who you talk to (they are comparable to the PS4S whereas the lesser F1 Asymmetric is the direct competitor to the PS4).

Wear rate not as good as PS4 though. Michelin have perfected a secret sauce of grip + wear that other tyre brands have never matched.

One thing to bear in mind is the sidewalls on the PS4 are quite soft, which has its pros and cons (better compliance, poorer turn-in).

 

[shiftspark]

Cheers chaps I’ll have a read up on the Goodyear’s as not seen them mentioned before.

 

[White16valver]

evo magazine has its 2020 tyre test in this month's issue, which might be worth a read.

 

[JB21]

@shiftspark just realised you're on 17" wheels. A good compromise between the PS4 and RS5 is Falkens FK510. They are bloody brilliant. Just fitted them to my F30 330d and also had them on my Mondeo ST.

I've mentioned it before in other threads they are very similar to PS4's in performance, they even have very similar tread pattern.

For 215 45 17 they're just £64 from Demon Tweeks. Cheapest PS4 i could find was £96. That's near 50% more expensive.

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PS4 below for comparison.

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[dave120]

Interesting read guys. I'm just about to replace all 4 tyres on my Turinis, so size will be 195\45\16. I was just going to get PS3s but man are they expensive!

Is there any other tyre out there that people would recommend for fast road driving? The car wont be going near a track.

Thanks

 

[imprezaworks]

Avon zv7

 

[dave120]

Avon zv7

Have you got direct experience mate? I‘ll stump up for the PS3s if I have to as I know they are a great tyre. I just didnt want to fork out the best part of 100 quid a corner if there were comparable ( cheaper ) alternatives out there.

Im just out of touch with other performance tyres these days as I’m normally driving a lease car which is never old enough to need tyres.

Thanks.

 

[dave120]

Just found an auto express tyre test from a few years back and the ZV7 came last.

 

[imprezaworks]

Ah lol. Could have been zt7. Was years ago on my 182. others on here bought them too and rated them

 

[MLB]

@shiftspark just realised you're on 17" wheels. A good compromise between the PS4 and RS5 is Falkens FK510. They are bloody brilliant. Just fitted them to my F30 330d and also had them on my Mondeo ST.

I've mentioned it before in other threads they are very similar to PS4's in performance, they even have very similar tread pattern.

For 215 45 17 they're just £64 from Demon Tweeks. Cheapest PS4 i could find was £96. That's near 50% more expensive.

Falken Azenis FK510

Will the Falken Azenis FK510 suit your car? Find the best tyre for your car read 139 reviews for Falken Azenis FK510 and compare to other Ultra High Performance tyres

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PS4 below for comparison.

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I can second this, got the FK510 in 17" on my wife's Civic Type S!

 

[clioTS]

I need some tyres for the MINI and fancy MPS4 as a road tyre and can be used as winter/wet track tyre ? Are they any good or would you recommend something else ? I presume Rainsports are good in the wet or cold but what are they like on a winter track if its dry ?
Cheers

I have Pilots as a wet set for my clio racer - I had them on at Brands on a very wet track a few weeks back and they were brilliant - dont pay more than £110 / £120 each fitted. They can be really expensive some places.

 

[Adamm.]

Formula 1 autocenter has a good deal in these at the minute. I have 3mm left so decided to get them done now 4 x 235/45/18 £420 after a discount code and then another £50 cash back through Michelin so £370 for 4 tyres fully fitted seems like a good deal. Think their discounts vary for tyre size. For reference it's £112/tyre on camskill for that size.

 

[dave120]

ATS Euromaster are doing 50 quid off 4 Michelins so I just got 4 PS3 for 345 fitted which is a decent deal IMO

 

[imprezaworks]

Yeah similar deal I could get for the PS4’s for the golf.

 

[andy_coops]

Just put a set on my daily. 18’s and came in under £300 all in through Costco. Watched the whole process and came away mighty impressed. They seem to work well in the wet - night and day better than the Bridgestones they replaced