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Mull project 20162016
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Pauleds
ClioSport Club Member
Merc Dueliner sport
3 weeks to go. Looks like another case of Lastminutemotorsport.com
I was hoping to get up to watch and marshal but wife is working that weekend so it's a no go.
My manx codriver Angus Williams owns tobermory-campsite.co.uk if you need somewhere to stay
I was hoping to get up to watch and marshal but wife is working that weekend so it's a no go.
My manx codriver Angus Williams owns tobermory-campsite.co.uk if you need somewhere to stay
massiveCoRbyn
ClioSport Club Member
Several
Very jealous, would love to do this. Finishing my car would help lol.
Mazda mps
Standard engine and box at the moment. Money and time were against me. Improvements will have to wait until next year.
Spax adjustable suspension on Euro spec spring rates (circa 400lbs)
Sassa cage (walked through log book scroot's checks)
Motordrive Pro4 seats with head restraints
Kevlar sump Grd
The usual safety extinguishers etc.
The MOT and MSA log book done earlier this week.
Just the ride heights and camber to set. I will be running about 57cm front and 56cm rear from floor to top of wheel arch. Mull is bumpy so I want a little extra height.
1.5 neg camber and 10mins toe out.
The front anti roll bar has been removed to aid turn in.
The rears are standard geometry toe in and camber.
Mazda mps
Well It's been a while and I think an update is due!!
Mull 2016.
Nearly a year has pasted since I got back from Mull and I thought I would give you a pen picture of the event.
We put our entry in at 7am on the day they opened and were entry 101. It seems they days of unfilled entries are gone. A good friend who has competed on Mull 20 times, Jim Brindle was 13th reserve so we didn’t do too badly. (Jim got a run.) It was a rush to get the car built in time. I put together a Clio 172 RS in ten months on a very limited budget but managed to get it taxed tested and onto the Island in time. Oosi as she was christened (reg number OO51MAS hence Oosi) was my road car until the bottom pulley s**t itself and pulled the auxiliary belt off. The gearbox mount was also snapped so I put it into the garage after I sold the little Daihatsu Cuore and started the build.
I stripped out everything including the dash and loom and put a bolt in cage, it is impressive none dash dodger and with twin diagonal. I changed the exhaust to a Janspeed system, suspension to Spax with European tarmac spec springs, polycarbon windows with sliders, new disks and Mintex 1155 pads and all the usual safety items needed. It took me months and having written it I wonder how it took so long but there are only so many hours in a Saturday afternoon. Anyway she looked good on her 16” rims and after I set the ride heights, front toe out (10 mins) and camber (1.5-neg) she was ready. I took her up the road and she seemed good.
My co-driver, Alan and I travelled over night to get to Mull on the first Monday ferry and then on to Torloisk to our cottage (£700pw!0 Only to find someone in it and to cut a long story short we had to leave and return at 2pm. By which time I had been awake for 30hrs. So we went straight to bed after getting the frozen food in to the freezer.
The recce started and we put some hard hours in and refined the notes we had made from last year. The car was Scrooted on Thursday afternoon. We had asked for permission to be done then as we were due to be last car (again) on Friday which meant we would be hanging around in Tobermory all Friday afternoon until the start.
Now, I remember The Tour of Mull being a great clubman rally. It seems to be run now for the top 30. Everyone else just makes up the numbers. Let me explain. There is a shakedown stage on the Thursday which costs £150 it is only open to 20 cars. Not too inclusive I think. We were seeded at 129!!!!! Which we queried with the organisers explaining we were in a much quicker car than last year (Daihatsu Cuore with 64bhp) and had beaten most of the cars we were seeded behind and we felt we would be catching cars an every stage.
Guess what? They said tough and we caught and passed 7 cars on the first night. Some pulled over straight away. Others took much longer to get out of the way, one nearly required a nudge after 3 miles of refusing to let us past on Tuath.
Below follows the event stage by stage
Prior to start I put some old fuel in and it was crap and needed draining out. Our intercom is a Peltor unfortunately my new helmet wasn’t. So I did have a correct spare mic and plug but had left it in the cottage. We got it and started the event.
Stage
2nd Night. The organisers had lost our time card and we had to start (after a little discussion) at car 98 instead of 47th. We did manage to Fix the engine mount. It lasted 3 yumps into the next stage
We christened ourselves 'team overlooked'. Crap seeding, lost time card and not re seeded into our rightful place. We finished 48th not a great result but it was carnage on the stages and 65 cars didn’t get to the end. The cars have come on massively. Even 1400 cars are running 170bhp and clicky, sequential boxes with 3 way Proflex, Ohlin or Rieger suspension now. The days of the club car are gone. There must have been 10 WRC cars plus another 30 well sorted Evos and Scoobies. I was talking to Paul ‘Elderly Saab’ Darlington and he wondered if a road rally class or controlled tyres class wasn’t the way forward.
I did enjoy it despite everything despite having to leave Sunday morning so Alan could attend a wedding. I will do it again next year but I need;
Mull 2016.
Nearly a year has pasted since I got back from Mull and I thought I would give you a pen picture of the event.
We put our entry in at 7am on the day they opened and were entry 101. It seems they days of unfilled entries are gone. A good friend who has competed on Mull 20 times, Jim Brindle was 13th reserve so we didn’t do too badly. (Jim got a run.) It was a rush to get the car built in time. I put together a Clio 172 RS in ten months on a very limited budget but managed to get it taxed tested and onto the Island in time. Oosi as she was christened (reg number OO51MAS hence Oosi) was my road car until the bottom pulley s**t itself and pulled the auxiliary belt off. The gearbox mount was also snapped so I put it into the garage after I sold the little Daihatsu Cuore and started the build.
I stripped out everything including the dash and loom and put a bolt in cage, it is impressive none dash dodger and with twin diagonal. I changed the exhaust to a Janspeed system, suspension to Spax with European tarmac spec springs, polycarbon windows with sliders, new disks and Mintex 1155 pads and all the usual safety items needed. It took me months and having written it I wonder how it took so long but there are only so many hours in a Saturday afternoon. Anyway she looked good on her 16” rims and after I set the ride heights, front toe out (10 mins) and camber (1.5-neg) she was ready. I took her up the road and she seemed good.
My co-driver, Alan and I travelled over night to get to Mull on the first Monday ferry and then on to Torloisk to our cottage (£700pw!0 Only to find someone in it and to cut a long story short we had to leave and return at 2pm. By which time I had been awake for 30hrs. So we went straight to bed after getting the frozen food in to the freezer.
The recce started and we put some hard hours in and refined the notes we had made from last year. The car was Scrooted on Thursday afternoon. We had asked for permission to be done then as we were due to be last car (again) on Friday which meant we would be hanging around in Tobermory all Friday afternoon until the start.
Now, I remember The Tour of Mull being a great clubman rally. It seems to be run now for the top 30. Everyone else just makes up the numbers. Let me explain. There is a shakedown stage on the Thursday which costs £150 it is only open to 20 cars. Not too inclusive I think. We were seeded at 129!!!!! Which we queried with the organisers explaining we were in a much quicker car than last year (Daihatsu Cuore with 64bhp) and had beaten most of the cars we were seeded behind and we felt we would be catching cars an every stage.
Guess what? They said tough and we caught and passed 7 cars on the first night. Some pulled over straight away. Others took much longer to get out of the way, one nearly required a nudge after 3 miles of refusing to let us past on Tuath.
Below follows the event stage by stage
Prior to start I put some old fuel in and it was crap and needed draining out. Our intercom is a Peltor unfortunately my new helmet wasn’t. So I did have a correct spare mic and plug but had left it in the cottage. We got it and started the event.
Stage
- Lochs; Slippy as Hell, brakes went off before the hairpins!
- Hill Rd Tuath; Amazing. Car ran faultlessly and we were on it 41th overall. Caught 3 cars Two pulled over straight away, a Scooby decided to hold us up for over 1.5 miles. He must have been able to feel the lights burning the back of his head never mind see them.
Service; Clicked the Spax suspension up, BIG mistake
- Glen/Calgary Car was so bouncy it was undrivable on the bumpy Glen. Caught 3 cars.
- Griburn Bouncy and not I wasn’t committed
- Scridian as above
- Artun; 2 miles of a pointless waste of time. It takes about an hour of road time for a 3 minute stage and then another 20 mins to get to Scridian.
- Scridian. 20 min delay in stage start. Bounced so hard after the yump outside the white house Alan dropped the notes!
- Griburn. I didn’t commit due to engine feeling it was about to fall out and car kept popping out of gear.
- Locks1. Rain was now monsoon like with standing water. Stage was slippy and we were understeering out of everything tight. Brakes ran out again going up the hairpins
- Calgary. Good stage but The tyres weren’t getting warm and not giving me confidence
- Ensay Hill Rd. Decided to give it a go only to get held up by a convoy of cars pottering to the end. Apparently the lead car in this 8 car convoy had seen a speccy walking on the stage and decided to stop the rest of us by driving slowly and refusing to let the ten cars behind him through.
- Lochs. As stage4 and the power steering stopped working, then decided to work after the finish of the stage.
- Calgary. As stage 5
- Ensay. Even the wipers on full couldn’t shift the water, so I took it easy.
2nd Night. The organisers had lost our time card and we had to start (after a little discussion) at car 98 instead of 47th. We did manage to Fix the engine mount. It lasted 3 yumps into the next stage
- Calgary/Tuath. We decided to give it a real go. We knew we would be quick as we had done a good time on Friday. I was really pissed off with the thought of catching cars again but….. They cancelled the stage! Gave us a nominal time 3 minutes slower than the cars running at 46-47-48. I was fuming, we didn’t want to run at the back of the field for this reason and now we were penalised for their error!
- Griburn. I wasn’t committed as I knew we had nothing to drive hard for. Caught the mini ahead of us
- Scridian. As above. Caught the car ahead of us
- Glen/Locks. I said to Alan that I would just drive to the finish. Caught and managed to pass 2 cars.
We christened ourselves 'team overlooked'. Crap seeding, lost time card and not re seeded into our rightful place. We finished 48th not a great result but it was carnage on the stages and 65 cars didn’t get to the end. The cars have come on massively. Even 1400 cars are running 170bhp and clicky, sequential boxes with 3 way Proflex, Ohlin or Rieger suspension now. The days of the club car are gone. There must have been 10 WRC cars plus another 30 well sorted Evos and Scoobies. I was talking to Paul ‘Elderly Saab’ Darlington and he wondered if a road rally class or controlled tyres class wasn’t the way forward.
I did enjoy it despite everything despite having to leave Sunday morning so Alan could attend a wedding. I will do it again next year but I need;
- 200bhp
- Proflex
- LSD
- Lower diff ratio 5.2
- Sticky tyres
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Mazda mps
The Back box is actually quite high and doesn't cause a problem on Tarmac.
We used 16" dunlops as I had 16" rims. In hindsight and an infusion of cash, 15" would be better. I have bought some post Mull and will fit them for the next event.
I've always loved rallying, but its a huge commitment to prep an otherwise untested car and then stump the cash to travel to mull hoping to pan its head in for 2 days without breaking anything.
I'm perpetually amazed by the range of failures and how few of them are obvious. On the face of it, most of the cars are similar to trackday cars (including your spec above) but you see stuff like:
Thanks for writing up the report and sharing it. Interesting comments on the event!
I'm perpetually amazed by the range of failures and how few of them are obvious. On the face of it, most of the cars are similar to trackday cars (including your spec above) but you see stuff like:
- Wiring loom failures
- oil fittings snapping through fatigue
- broken engine mounts
- Bent rims
- failed balljoints
- Blown dampers
Thanks for writing up the report and sharing it. Interesting comments on the event!
massiveCoRbyn
ClioSport Club Member
Several
Great report. Sounds like a tough event, but at least you got to the end. As you say, club rallies are a very different ballgame now. Sequential boxes and powerful engines everywhere. The class system here is a bit silly though. I think it's about time every class was split in half. One half for the big budget cars then, in the other half, sequential boxes and throttle bodies are banned. It might allow the lower budget people to get a look-in.
Brushwood69
ClioSport Club Member
If you did that without a LSD two things need to be said
1. Well done :up:
2. What will you be like with a LSD :tongueclosed:
Mazda mps
I was looking back over previous Mull results and came across this from 1996!
Provisional Leaderboard after 3 Stages:
Posn Driver/Co-Driver Car Mins:Secs
1 Callum Duffy/Hugh Duffy Ford Escort 24:16
2 Neil MacKinnon/Mike Stayte Subaru Legacy 25:31
3 James MacGillivray/Brian Kennedy Opel Corsa 25:33
4 Chris Griffiths/Stephen Griffiths Subaru Legacy 25:34
5 Eddie O'Donnell/Eddie O'Donnell Ford Escort 26:23
6 John Price/Mike Bowen MG Metro 6R4 26:29
7 Richard Thompson/Reg Smith Nissan Sunny 26:43
8 Gareth Jones/Lee Ellis Ford Escort 26:55
9 Neil McCarthy/Chas Hull VW Golf GTI 27:10
10 Paul Kirtley/Jon Geldart Ford Escort Cosworth 27:12
The above top ten is a bit more accurate than shown on MullMurmurs3 due to a couple of factors i.e. rain and no rain. The weather is playing a strong hand on this year's 27th Philips Tour of Mull Rally and depending on when the showers happen and who is on the stages at the time, determines the times. For that reason some of the later numbers benefitted from slightly drier conditions over the first three stages. Even so Gareth Jones and Neil McCarthy are going well but now they've poked their noses into the top ten, the others will be gunning for them ... Gareth must have been going well, he caught two cars on the Hill Road but just when he was shaping up to pass the second one, the wipers stopped ... Paul Kirtley lost time on SS2 with a fuel feed problem and stopped for 15 minutes at the end of the stage, but he's going again now ... Derek Carless had to get a push-start out of service - guess who left the heated screen on when he stopped? otherwise he's OK ... Grant Fleming broke an oil pump drive belt on the start line in Tobermory and had to start almost last ... Ian Wilson is just outside the top ten in the wee Opel despite a broken disc caliper, anyone got a Gp4 Escort disc? ... Ian Woodward is off his head, he likes the rain and he wants more ... Chris MacKenzie broke a bottom balljoint but limped into service ... Dave Calvert got a Maximum on Loch Scridain when he went off at Fraggle Rock but there were plenty of spectators getting wet and dirty pushing him back on to the road - 100 yards away! ... Graham Dale and Mike Russell both know that Keith Robathan is off which has made the chase for EARS Motorsport/Motoring News points a bit less fraught ... Brian Fraser thought his clutch had packed up and did the last one and half stages in 4th gear, only to find that the adjusting nut had come off ... Paul Marshall has done Mull 5 times in a FWD Corsa, this time he's out in a 3.5 litre RWD Triumph TR7 V8, in this weather!? ... Nick Bailey appears to be out. He caught a culvert at a cattle grid in Glen Aros which knocked a wheel back and spun him off ... Brian Cameron had the wipers fail on the Rover 220 just after he left the start of Gribun, the wettest stage of the night ... and Graham Hargrave is trying to fix a slipping clutch in the Toyota.
That's yer lot for now, till later, Yer auld pal, Jaggy Bunnet, (Craignure, Friday, Midnight)
Provisional Leaderboard after 3 Stages:
Posn Driver/Co-Driver Car Mins:Secs
1 Callum Duffy/Hugh Duffy Ford Escort 24:16
2 Neil MacKinnon/Mike Stayte Subaru Legacy 25:31
3 James MacGillivray/Brian Kennedy Opel Corsa 25:33
4 Chris Griffiths/Stephen Griffiths Subaru Legacy 25:34
5 Eddie O'Donnell/Eddie O'Donnell Ford Escort 26:23
6 John Price/Mike Bowen MG Metro 6R4 26:29
7 Richard Thompson/Reg Smith Nissan Sunny 26:43
8 Gareth Jones/Lee Ellis Ford Escort 26:55
9 Neil McCarthy/Chas Hull VW Golf GTI 27:10
10 Paul Kirtley/Jon Geldart Ford Escort Cosworth 27:12
The above top ten is a bit more accurate than shown on MullMurmurs3 due to a couple of factors i.e. rain and no rain. The weather is playing a strong hand on this year's 27th Philips Tour of Mull Rally and depending on when the showers happen and who is on the stages at the time, determines the times. For that reason some of the later numbers benefitted from slightly drier conditions over the first three stages. Even so Gareth Jones and Neil McCarthy are going well but now they've poked their noses into the top ten, the others will be gunning for them ... Gareth must have been going well, he caught two cars on the Hill Road but just when he was shaping up to pass the second one, the wipers stopped ... Paul Kirtley lost time on SS2 with a fuel feed problem and stopped for 15 minutes at the end of the stage, but he's going again now ... Derek Carless had to get a push-start out of service - guess who left the heated screen on when he stopped? otherwise he's OK ... Grant Fleming broke an oil pump drive belt on the start line in Tobermory and had to start almost last ... Ian Wilson is just outside the top ten in the wee Opel despite a broken disc caliper, anyone got a Gp4 Escort disc? ... Ian Woodward is off his head, he likes the rain and he wants more ... Chris MacKenzie broke a bottom balljoint but limped into service ... Dave Calvert got a Maximum on Loch Scridain when he went off at Fraggle Rock but there were plenty of spectators getting wet and dirty pushing him back on to the road - 100 yards away! ... Graham Dale and Mike Russell both know that Keith Robathan is off which has made the chase for EARS Motorsport/Motoring News points a bit less fraught ... Brian Fraser thought his clutch had packed up and did the last one and half stages in 4th gear, only to find that the adjusting nut had come off ... Paul Marshall has done Mull 5 times in a FWD Corsa, this time he's out in a 3.5 litre RWD Triumph TR7 V8, in this weather!? ... Nick Bailey appears to be out. He caught a culvert at a cattle grid in Glen Aros which knocked a wheel back and spun him off ... Brian Cameron had the wipers fail on the Rover 220 just after he left the start of Gribun, the wettest stage of the night ... and Graham Hargrave is trying to fix a slipping clutch in the Toyota.
That's yer lot for now, till later, Yer auld pal, Jaggy Bunnet, (Craignure, Friday, Midnight)
Mazda mps
The re-shell has started. I am going to build a single venue car this time. Everything will be aimed at going quick around old airfields and chicane riddled racing circuits. All the old bits are ready to fit into the new Shell I just need to strip it and sort out the rear beam mounts.
