New ICE - Ive been busy

[fungusman]

Heya guys,

This weekend I installed totally new sound system into the car.. did the whole lot, it now sounds awesome.. i mean mindblowingly fantastic..

All i need to do is mount the amp somewhere, its currently held in by boot ankers, which works but doesnt look good at all.

Any suggestions.

 

[lee_cup]

Nice one mate!
Im thinking... Boot install perhaps? or just mount it like you said, would be easier

 

[fungusman]

I was hoping to mount the amp on the back of the seat but its made of this foam stuff unfortunatly.

I think ill try and find a way to mount it to the wheel arch in the boot.. but its made of metal, anyone got any pics of what they have done?

 

[Jaffa182]

Mount the amp on top or back on the sub box?? Thats wot i've done saves space too :d

 

[recaro182]

cant you mount it to the back of the sub box, or do you want it on show?

 

[fungusman]

i said that to the guy in the shop, he said not to as it

1. creates distortion
2. as the sub vibrates stuff in the amp will eventually come lose.. thats why sub and amp combinations arnt that good.

will have to see what i can come up with.. might try and work out a way to connect it to the rear seat,

 

[BRUN]

those rear 6x9's are just asking to be stolen, get a stealth shelf mate

 

[hydeyho]

those rear 6x9's are just asking to be stolen, get a stealth shelf mate

OR, remove them, and throw them over your shoulder in the hope that they break and can't be put back in!!!

 

[fungusman]

OR, remove them, and throw them over your shoulder in the hope that they break and can't be put back in!!!

any particular reason? they are quality speakers?

 

[BRUN]

you dont need 6x9's if you have a sub, they are a speaker designed to get more bass from a speaker that is still quite small, they have no point if you have a sub already and you can get better sound quality from a normal round speaker, or dont have any rears in at all, with a sub they are not needed, just amp the fronts for treble/mid and the sub sorts the bass out

 

[fungusman]

I owned the 6x9's from my old car, seemed like a good idea to put them in as they are good quality, i only bought the sub amp headunit and front speakers last weekend sounds wicked.

(also im not running much bass through them anyway.)

 

[hydeyho]

any particular reason? they are quality speakers?

They're not though. I'd never buy a speaker made by a company who sells blenders lol.

I've posted this so many times, as have many other users on here but people just choose to ignore it. 6x9s try to be a jack of all trades, but end up falling short in every department. They will sound even worse in your setup as the air moved by your sub will cause the 6x9s to distort as they share the same air space.

H/U, front comp's (amped), and sub (not essential) is all you need for a perfect SQ setup!

 

[fungusman]

i think we will have to agree to disagree, it DOES sound great and there is no distortion until you totally max it out, which if i want my hearing to continue working i wont do anyway. (but i dont think this distortion has anything to do with sub anyway.. its just general sound distortion)

[/quote] H/U, front comp's (amped), and sub (not essential) is all you need for a perfect SQ setup![/quote]

so you are sayign all you need for good audio is just front speakers?
cos thats just madness, its all about surround sound

And at some point i will be dropping new component speakers into the rear reveals, just havent got around to it.

 

[Simon 1]

Place a bit of MDF behind the seat cover on the back of the seat you can then mount your amp onto that mate,

Si

 

[fungusman]

yeah that would work, thanks for the advice si.

 

[hydeyho]

i think we will have to agree to disagree, it DOES sound great and there is no distortion until you totally max it out, which if i want my hearing to continue working i wont do anyway. (but i dont think this distortion has anything to do with sub anyway.. its just general sound distortion)

H/U, front comp's (amped), and sub (not essential) is all you need for a perfect SQ setup!

so you are sayign all you need for good audio is just front speakers?
cos thats just madness, its all about surround sound

And at some point i will be dropping new component speakers into the rear reveals, just havent got around to it.

I'm sorry but you clearly know nothing about decent car audio, which shows by your choice of equipment!!! I'm not saying I'm an expert, I'm sure Dink and Muzz will show their faces at some point in the post who are probably the most knowledgable people on the site in relation to ICE. Just try posting this up on TalkAudio and see what they say. They are the true experts and will let you know what they think.

What is so good about surround sound in respect to music??? 5.1 and such are only of benefit for watching TV, films, etc. not listening to music. When you go to a concert they don't place speakers at the back of the room as you're not supposed to listen to music from behind you, it ruins the soundstage.

Just look at the top home stereo systems from the likes of Bang & Olfsun, 2 tweeters, 2 mids, and a sub. PERFECT!

This is all coming from someone who has had experience of 6x9s. In my naive youth I bought some and thought they were greta, until I took the advice of people who know their stuff about ICE. I'm running DLS MS6 components up front and a Phoenix Gold Xenon (X12D4) sub. Non of which are market leaders, but they are in a completely different league to the products you have used.

 

[muz]

so you are sayign all you need for good audio is just front speakers?
cos thats just madness, its all about surround sound

And at some point i will be dropping new component speakers into the rear reveals, just havent got around to it.

Sorry have to totally dissagree with you. I love people improving thier sound in thier car however there are a few things you need to sort. It looks a decent install and I apreciate the hard work gone into it so dont flame me!

1. 6x9s and sub sharing the same air is a terrible idea, the air from the sub will move the cones of the 6x9s causing distortion and eventually breaking them. If you really want them box them in.

2 Your wiring loks very scary dangerous! You do realise that amp will get hot hot hot!

3. speakers coming from behind drags the soundstage backward Would you go to a concert then turn your back on the band? Go to an IASCA event listen to the cars there 99.99% of us use components in the front and sub in the back. People spend £000000s on getting the sub to sound like its in the front.

sorry if I sound negative however over hte past 10 years I have learned waht not to do!

 

[muz]

I'm sure Dink will show his face at some point in the post who is probably the most knowledgable person on the site in relation to ICE. .

Ahem

 

[hydeyho]

Ahem

Edited :approve:

 

[fungusman]

2 Your wiring loks very scary dangerous! You do realise that amp will get hot hot hot!

yep thats why im trying to mount it somewhere.. i have moved the wiring since taking those pics. The wiring is good (had it checked at shop i bought all the equipment at).. just needs hiding.

I'm running DLS MS6 components up front and a Phoenix Gold Xenon (X12D4) sub. Non of which are market leaders, but they are in a completely different league to the products you have used.

for some of us money is an issue.

and at some point i do intend to not have 6x9's but just component speakers, but as this is what i have this is what ill use.

6x9s and sub sharing the same air is a terrible idea, the air from the sub will move the cones of the 6x9s causing distortion and eventually breaking them

when they break or even begin to sound remotely dodgy i will remove them and just have the speakers in the reveals.

People spend £000000s on getting the sub to sound like its in the front.

never heard of that although does make sense.

Thanks for your comments guys, much appreciated, will run the 6x9's until i can afford to change them or more likely get my new car. (end of summer) and change them for components (not on the parcel shelf)

but for now im leaving as is im happy with it.

 

[hydeyho]

for some of us money is an issue.

Money doesn't have to be an issue to get a good system.

(Minus H/U, sub box, and wiring) You've spent approx £255 on your setup. For another £30 you could have had the following (Which would have sounded great):
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pro...d=3855&cadid=9b2f1e9ccd44b9e49094f46caeed0e52
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pro...d=2982&cadid=9b2f1e9ccd44b9e49094f46caeed0e52
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pro...d=4140&cadid=9b2f1e9ccd44b9e49094f46caeed0e52

 

[BRUN]

it drives me up the wall when people come into my shop and ask me about ICE, 99/100 they already own some 6x9's and then want a sub, i tell them the best setup and they just look at me as though im stupid, until they listen to my car and they cant tell i dont have any rear speakers apart from a sub, you cant tell !

 

[fungusman]

ill test this theory tonight and if its true then ill admit that im im wrong

although would like to add that my sub isnt turned up loud at all.. its all on minimum.

You've spent approx £255 on your setup.

about 200 (i get deals) but the stuff you have shown there is wayyyyy more expensive than my stuf... (by a long way)

 

[hydeyho]

the stuff you have shown there is wayyyyy more expensive than my stuf... (by a long way)

I wouldn't say that £85 was a lot, especially when it would sound vastly better. But I do understand what you're saying about cost, car modding is nver cheap :S

 

[fungusman]

it sure isnt.. i mean it may not be the best install in the world but i think it sounds awesome.. easily the best car system ive ever heard so im happy

when i get my next car ill take all your comments into account

 

[BRUN]

ill test this theory tonight and if its true then ill admit that im im wrong

although would like to add that my sub isnt turned up loud at all.. its all on minimum.

doesnt have to be on max mate, amp those fronts and disconnect the rears apart from the sub, see what you think, might sound strange at first as you have used to loads of sounds from the rear, but close your eyes and listen to all the details in the tracks and the balance of treble/mid/bass

 

[fungusman]

yeah ill give it a try.. the only problem i have is that my front passenger door rattles like mad and after having the whole thing apart i still cant work out where the rattle is coming from so until i get this sorted its not really a fair test.

 

[hydeyho]

yeah ill give it a try.. the only problem i have is that my front passenger door rattles like mad and after having the whole thing apart i still cant work out where the rattle is coming from so until i get this sorted its not really a fair test.

Its a Renault, you'll never get rid of the rattle lol. Try some Dynamat Extreme, really helps reduce rattles.

 

[fungusman]

is that like foam or something? ill have to give it a try

 

[bmh.01]

Just something I noticed, you do have a fuse at the battery as well don't you?, as well as before the amp because if you've only got the one in the pictures then the cable before the fuse is completly unprotected.

 

[fungusman]

No. i did this before i knew that it mattered, although after lengthy discussion with the guys at my local audio shop decided to leave it as is. there is not enough cable to swap it to the front. The cable is fire proof anyway, and to put it in the front i would have to buy new cable anyway so what they said is leave in back, if it burns then it wont do any damage (apart from f**k the cable). if it does f**k up ill just buy a new cable

I have talked to the guys at halfords, the guys on the net who i bought the kit off, my dad (who is an electrician) and the guy at my local shop, they have all said it is absolutely safe, although could result in £10 cable getting fucked, however to move it to the front id have to spend that anyway so may as well leave it.

 

[bmh.01]

Hmm, looks like a possible electrical fire waiting to happen to me, I don't care what the cables supposed to be I still wouldn't trust it, its only takes one thing to happen.
But hey its your car and up to you in the end.

 

[muz]

only prob is that if the casing burns then the copper core touches metal You could get BIG sparks mate.

When I install its safety, sound then looks in that order of prioity. Seen a car go up in flames before due to an ice install, its not nice and plus insurance companies can go F you if you try to claim because the wiring is not standard

 

[fungusman]

yeah i know, although im not that worried about it, i mean i have talked to quite a few professionals about it (did realise the mistake i made) and they have all said there is no problem (although i could loose a £10 cable).

 

[BRUN]

or your car....

 

[Dink]

i'd say muzz knows more than me

the insulation is real crap on ICE power cables burns real well for sum reason.

 

[jamesy]

cool looking good dude ive just finished my install the other day after a few days of work well pleased with the end result mind

 

[muz]

i'd say muzz knows more than me

the insulation is real crap on ICE power cables burns real well for sum reason.

:reallyembarressedsmiley:

There is loads I no nothing about though!

 

[kpowell911]

Cant be arsedto type yet another scientific post regarding 6x9s dragging bak your soundstage, but yea, lose the 6x9s

 

[fungusman]

im thinking that after all you guys saying 6x9's suck.. i will loose them.. need to get new parcel shelf though