Next 182 mod

[MikeGG]

Hello everyone - I need some help deciding what to do next on my 182. At the moment the only mods are a K&N panel filter, Apex -40mm spring kit and K-tec cat back system.

I have been mulling over wheels as the 182 wheels tho smart arent overtly sporty looking. Probably sticking to 16" but getting either Speedline Turinis or Compomotive MOs. Alternatively I thought about going down the coilover route as people rave about them on here. The Apex spring kit makes the car look just as I want and it handles great but is damn firm to say the least! Lastly I thought of the Prospeed exhaust as I feel the K-tec just isnt loud enough for me!

Dont wanna do engine works as of yet. Any thoughts???????????

Mike

 

[Turkish]

id go coilovers or zorst personally out of that list. turinis will make it look like a cup and mos although nice wont benefit you in anyway other than cosmetic.

 

[Tom]

Coilovers.

H&R production is sooo near.

 

[Turkish]

you got a date or spec on them yet tom ? all im getting is "coming soon" from my contact.

 

[Tom]

Production of prototypes has been completed.

Production versions launched at the end of jan...

 

[Turkish]

the struts the same on cup and non cup or are they producing two kits? did they give any idea on the kind of drop ? (im assuming it will be similar to the 172 kit)

 

[Tom]

Tbh the somewhat garbled info ive been getting is that they are identical to the 172 ones.

but the lower plates have been modified on the front to allow fitment.

Easy enough.

 

[MikeGG]

What kind of price will this kit cost??? Who stocks the current 172 kit online so I can go and have a drool now? ; )

 

[Turkish]

tbh i dont think there are any sites that actually show the kit, prices are around the 750+ mark retail. Chris or dansta might have some pics of the 172 kit still i cant seem to find the pics i took of mine.

 

[MikeGG]

Found some info on the current kit at http://www.europerformance.co.ukwww.europerformance.co.uk. Was kinda hoping the kit at £500ish would cover the RS models but after a lot of scrolling down I found the current 172 kit is £726.

Its a lot of cash. Having not been in a car with them are they that good?

Anyone wanna give me a demo run!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Turkish]

They are nothing short of awesome IMO i had them fitted to my mk2 172, a few people from the site have been out in it with them fitted and currently Dansta and Chris172cup have them fitted to their cups, both have been suitably impressed with them too. They are pricey but IMO worth the cost.

 

[Turkish]

i may be able to get a deal on these kits when they come out through work. ill keep you posted as smokey is after a set too.

 

[MikeGG]

Good work Loony - keep me updated please. Where do you work btw??

 

[Turkish]

i work for porsche

 

[Turkish]

btw the site you posted a link to that is a generic picture , the kit doesnt look like that the rear dampers do not have the coil over the damper its seperate, as with all kits you get for the mk2 clio, FK, Gaz & KW all still have a seperate damper and spring on the rear.

 

[Big G]

Mike,

Does the K-Tec cat back system + panel filter make any difference (even a tiny amount) to performance?

Has anyone thought of nitrous for the 182? Looks like it would be an excellent mod, not too expensive but very impressive gains. Would be great to engage it once the car is into second gear - go like sh*t off a shovel for sure.

G

 

[leeds_182]

Quote: Originally posted by Big G on 22 December 2004





Mike,

Does the K-Tec cat back system + panel filter make any difference (even a tiny amount) to performance?

Has anyone thought of nitrous for the 182? Looks like it would be an excellent mod, not too expensive but very impressive gains. Would be great to engage it once the car is into second gear - go like sh*t off a shovel for sure.

G


Fast and furious

 

[MikeGG]

Quote: Originally posted by Big G on 22 December 2004

Mike,

Does the K-Tec cat back system + panel filter make any difference (even a tiny amount) to performance?

Has anyone thought of nitrous for the 182? Looks like it would be an excellent mod, not too expensive but very impressive gains. Would be great to engage it once the car is into second gear - go like sh*t off a shovel for sure.

G

G - The exhaust and filter do make a small difference to performance as they do make the car breathe easier. However I dont think I noticed a power increase. Like with my previous car (impreza turbo) you have to remove the cats before you feel a real differenec in power and performance. Not thought about nitrous. Its not something I would do. Seems a bit raw for my tastes.

Mike

 

[raf182]

I quite fancy a short shifter kit, standard gear throw feels a bit long sometimes.

Also fancy an induction kit but only if there are no negatives at all! ie poorer low down responses, markedley increased fuel consumption, loss of warranty etc...

 

[MikeGG]

^^^^ raf182 - I know what you mean. an induction kit would definately be at the top of my list but like you say I wouldnt want any down sides to putting it on, although im not too fussed abou the warranty issue.

Is there one out there that gives a decent performance gain and a great sound without changing the characteristics of the power delivery or the way the engine runs (lean)?????????????????????

 

[Dan Page]

personally i would go for the coil overs and slam it! Also how about a decat?

 

[edde]

Coilover all thw wa

Preferably H and R or FK ones. Apex ones seem to be problems.

 

[stu8v]

Coil overs offer no advantage over conventional type struts/springs unless your constantly changing springs or ride heights (very doubtful), std is usually best in terms of ride height and stiffness.

For what will be for most a road car there is no advantage to be gained by going so hard it shakes your teeth out.

Suspension is a compromise whats good for the track will ruin a road car.

On my rally car i have full bilstein coilovers front and dampers on the rear for the road its just too much, to make it bearable you need to be a racing speeds.

My guess is there for fashion rather than function.

A better compromise for the road is usually bigger a/roll bars, that way you retain the comfort but lose some of the body roll.

 

[Tom]

Sorry mate but youve entered wrongville at 210mph.

 

[stu8v]

Can you explain the advantages to me then?

 

[Tom]

improved ride (if you use road coilovers) flatter cornering, lower center of gravity, better built, etc etc.

The coilovers we are refering to are amazing when fitted to the 172. Easier to set up than most too, as they have near perfect damping setup out of the box (which cant be adjusted anyway)

 

[Brazo]

Ive been out in Loonys 172 with coilovers and the way he flung it around I could not imagine better stock handling car (yes I know there are some btw!!)

The point is it turns a great handling car into a fantastic handling car, better than the cuurent 182 cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Still a 182 cup on coilovers..........HMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[Turkish]

so take it you were quite impressed when you went out in Dans car then Tom ?

i had H&Rs fitted to my 172c and they were awesome, better than standard ride, improved handling, no bodyroll, sharper turn in better quality dampers.

your comment about not being suitable is totally wrong, coilovers have the potential to be totally useless for the road BUT this is only if the damping rate and poundage of the springs is set for rally or touring car style tarmac competition use. The kits sold to the general public are for fast road and occasional track day use and take into account this. The helper springs on the road versions are usually a lower poundage to iron out the imperfections and the main firmer spring take out the bodyroll and gives the car more composed handling.

Ask anyone who has been out in my 172 with the coilovers fitted and you wont find one that was at least impressed with them.

 

[stu8v]

How can they be easy to set up when there is no adjustment?

From my experience what you gain be lowering you loose by making your car into a bumpstop special.

Improved ride is purely a personal opinion but the only way they can give flatter cornering is to up the spring rates which badly affects normal driving comfort.

It would seem a fixed strut would give exactly what you want.

as an example, -25mm stiffer and damping

As i said before on a road car there is no need for coilovers as a fixed strut fulfills the same function.

 

[Tom]

I was sold on them since they arrived on my desk at work.

ive only driven it up the road and they werent even fixed on properly!

H&R must be annoyed with me and my bad german emails.

F*CKING HURRY UP

 

[Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by stu8v on 23 December 2004


How can they be easy to set up when there is no adjustment?

Youve answered your own question there.

From my experience what you gain be lowering you loose by making your car into a bumpstop special.

Youve never owned road spec coilovers then?

Improved ride is purely a personal opinion but the only way they can give flatter cornering is to up the spring rates which badly affects normal driving comfort.

As we have said, worry not they are set up beautifuly

It would seem a fixed strut would give exactly what you want.

Tell me where i can find a fixed strut that does what a h&r coilover does and i will buy it.

as an example, -25mm stiffer and damping

From where?

As i said before on a road car there is no need for coilovers as a fixed strut fulfills the same function.

Again how?

 

[Turkish]

LMAO @ Tom, and Stu8v seeing as you havnt driven a car with them fitted then i dont think you are in a position to pass comment. Ive driven numerous different 172s with differing suspension mods and NONE matched the H&Rs some were good but the coilovers stood head and shoulders above the rest with its performance.

 

[stu8v]

Im sure you will find out that little will beat OE quality.

do you even know the spec of the std setup? or even the spec of your uprated set?

Ive seen to many of these so-called fast road kits fall apart, now if you want quality try Bilstein, etc etc

 

[Tom]

lol!

this is great. can you translate the dead sea scrolls too?

 

[stu8v]

No, but i can walk on water ;-)

 

[Tom]

i dont doubt it.

 

[Turkish]

i can feel a head bashing against wall situation building

 

[stu8v]

 

[Tom]

Anyway back on topic.

Coilovers are great. its been proven by owners.

 

[Turkish]

Quote: Originally posted by stu8v on 23 December 2004


Im sure you will find out that little will beat OE quality.

Yes because Renault are renowned for their quality, obviously far superior to a german manufacturer who are well known for their links to motorsport. What suspension does a Porsche 996 gt3 run on it ? H&R coilovers. And how do i know this ? i work for porsche, ill call Porsche in germany and tell them their 90 odd grand car (known for sublime handling) would be better off on Renault dampers shall i ?

do you even know the spec of the std setup? or even the spec of your uprated set?

Remind me why i need facts figures and numbers and measurements to quantify a noticable difference in handling as someone who gets to drive dozens of different cars in his line of work?

Ive seen to many of these so-called fast road kits fall apart, now if you want quality try Bilstein, etc etc

Have you seen the H&R kit? i think thats a no. So again how are you in a position to pass judgement on a product you have never seen ?