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next gen rumours/news/facts
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The next Xbox will ship to retailers in late October or early November of next year with six times the processing power of the Xbox 360, sources close to the project have told IGN.
Following*initial reports*from tech blogs Fudzilla and SemiAccurate, our sources have confirmed that mass production of the system's GPU will indeed begin by the end of 2012 but will not, however, be based on AMD's 7000 series Southern Islands GPU. Instead, the processor will be derived from the 6000 series, which was introduced last year. More specifically, it will be akin to the Radeon HD 6670, which offers support for DirectX11, multidisplay output, 3D and 1080p HD output. The chip currently has a market price of upwards of $79.99.
In real terms, the Xbox 720's raw graphics processing power is expected to be six times that of the Xbox 360 and will yield 20-percent greater performance than Nintendo's forthcoming console, the Wii U.
Developers are likely to receive development kits based on the system's final configuration in August.*Projected pricing for the console was not provided.
Following*initial reports*from tech blogs Fudzilla and SemiAccurate, our sources have confirmed that mass production of the system's GPU will indeed begin by the end of 2012 but will not, however, be based on AMD's 7000 series Southern Islands GPU. Instead, the processor will be derived from the 6000 series, which was introduced last year. More specifically, it will be akin to the Radeon HD 6670, which offers support for DirectX11, multidisplay output, 3D and 1080p HD output. The chip currently has a market price of upwards of $79.99.
In real terms, the Xbox 720's raw graphics processing power is expected to be six times that of the Xbox 360 and will yield 20-percent greater performance than Nintendo's forthcoming console, the Wii U.
Developers are likely to receive development kits based on the system's final configuration in August.*Projected pricing for the console was not provided.
I can't see them being over £400 tbh, in the current financial climate and the fact that a lot of people have only just adopted this generation of machines it would be suicide to launch new hardware that cost £500.
The industry has changed and grown massively since the Wii brought in people who previously weren't gamers and the experience plus introduction of things like the move and kinect show that Sony and MS know they can get their machines in a lot more houses if they get it right.
The industry has changed and grown massively since the Wii brought in people who previously weren't gamers and the experience plus introduction of things like the move and kinect show that Sony and MS know they can get their machines in a lot more houses if they get it right.
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
I'd be VERY surprised if they got knocking on the door of £400 notes. You're venturing in PC money from then on - and given that most consolers would rather go down on their own mum than own a PC - I think MSoft would be silly to even consider it.
Get Bill to subsidise the manufacturing and up-spec from the 6000 series GPU.
D.
Get Bill to subsidise the manufacturing and up-spec from the 6000 series GPU.
D.
Evo 5 RS
Just goes to show what dedicated hardware can do, the Radeon 6670 is relatively weak in terms of raw grunt but interested to see what they can do with it.
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/super-powerful-xbox-720-chip-enters-production-1057384
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/super-powerful-xbox-720-chip-enters-production-1057384
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
Their own doing though.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
Terrible hardware life-cycles and zero support/poor treatment of third-party developers.
Poor timing also played a huge part of why they're not a player nowadays.
That said, the Dreamcast is one of my favourite consoles ever made. Such a shame.
Poor timing also played a huge part of why they're not a player nowadays.
That said, the Dreamcast is one of my favourite consoles ever made. Such a shame.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
I've still got mine with the box and everything. 
It's worth keeping for Shenmue alone.
It's worth keeping for Shenmue alone.
Just dug mine out as I am finishing setting up my gaming / relaxation room. So happy the room is finally finished, got my consoles, guitars and amps and gaming PC in here etc.. Just got to start on my bedroom now, last room to redecorate.
Forgot how many games I actually had for it. Ignore the wires, still sorting everything out. The one without a side label is Sega Rally.
Apparently Resident Evil 2 is worth a few quid as is Shenmue 2.
The Dreamcast was a fantastic console.
Unfortunately I believe it was destroyed by dumb consumers and Sony's usual deceitful marketing ploys.
Sony basically did their usual trick of posting fake screenshots and absolutely ridiculous claims as to what the Playstation 2 would be capable of and the fan boys lapped it up and held off buying the DC.
They pulled the same trick in an attempt at scuppering the 360.
Expect more of the same with PS4. Plenty of amazing looking screenshots and videos that everyone will spank their monkeys over on forums but watch and see if the games themselves look anything like it... Sony will eventually admit that the screenies and videos were merely meant to be "representive" of the machines capabilities. Also expect some kind of snappy flashy sounding name for the CPU with talk of how it can cure cancer.
Remember it is just a spoiler in an attempt at tricking you into holding off buying a rival product. Sony's product will never live up to its claims.
Unfortunately I believe it was destroyed by dumb consumers and Sony's usual deceitful marketing ploys.
Sony basically did their usual trick of posting fake screenshots and absolutely ridiculous claims as to what the Playstation 2 would be capable of and the fan boys lapped it up and held off buying the DC.
They pulled the same trick in an attempt at scuppering the 360.
Expect more of the same with PS4. Plenty of amazing looking screenshots and videos that everyone will spank their monkeys over on forums but watch and see if the games themselves look anything like it... Sony will eventually admit that the screenies and videos were merely meant to be "representive" of the machines capabilities. Also expect some kind of snappy flashy sounding name for the CPU with talk of how it can cure cancer.
Remember it is just a spoiler in an attempt at tricking you into holding off buying a rival product. Sony's product will never live up to its claims.
Sadly they all do it, PC, Sony, MS, Various software houses. The gaming industry is blighted with it as heavily as fashion/photography is with photoshopping to make everything to look better than reality.
Unless there's some sort of global agreement with regards to advertising and how you represent the product/software you're selling it'll continue, at best will see brief disclaimer notices flashed up.
Unless there's some sort of global agreement with regards to advertising and how you represent the product/software you're selling it'll continue, at best will see brief disclaimer notices flashed up.
Evo 5 RS
I like hearing that!
But tbh, I play consoles and communications between other users is easier, that's about my sole reason.
But tbh, I play consoles and communications between other users is easier, that's about my sole reason.
Evo 5 RS
I'd like to think so. Like I say though it's impressive what they can do with dedicated hardware anyway but it's still a bit underwhelming if true
We all know that PC games are being held back by consoles.
On the one hand games are now so expensive to develop that cutting edge titles in particular need to be multiformat to pay for themselves. That leads to games being designed down to fit the most popular platforms.
PC gamers themselves didn't help the situation by being the most prolific pirates of them all so exclusives are pretty rare now outside of stuff like MMORPG's.
That being said I am not disappointed by the news about the new Xbox. I have a top spec PC but I am still impressed by what I see the 360 doing given its age. Try playing the same games on a PC from 2005..
I bought and completed Halo Reach last week. At the same time I was also playing Crysis 2 on my PC with the DX11 and texture packs installed (yes I know it was dumbed down during the design phase for console compatibility). Reach doesn't even have the best 360 graphics going as its environments are more open compared to corridor crawlers like Dead Space 2, the frame rate is poor in places and the grenade explosion effects are laughable. Yet I didn't sit there saying "omg this looks garbage compared to what I just played on my PC". It was actually still an entertaining and atmospheric experience, I didn't notice the graphics at all, they were perfectly acceptable. That isn't me simply being blind, I mean that Golden Eye game that originally came out on the Wii looks diabolical on 360 and is an unacceptable step down from the PC.
Given that most console players will not be exceeding 1080p I don't see the problem here. I suspect that games at release will look pretty much identical to those of a top spec PC restricted to that resolution at the moment. You can expect to see huge gains in performance over its life time too, just look at 360 launch titles compared to those being released now.
It has to be a trade off between performance and price/noise/heat/RROD/physical size. I have a PC already and when I buy a console I want a console and not a second PC...
On the one hand games are now so expensive to develop that cutting edge titles in particular need to be multiformat to pay for themselves. That leads to games being designed down to fit the most popular platforms.
PC gamers themselves didn't help the situation by being the most prolific pirates of them all so exclusives are pretty rare now outside of stuff like MMORPG's.
That being said I am not disappointed by the news about the new Xbox. I have a top spec PC but I am still impressed by what I see the 360 doing given its age. Try playing the same games on a PC from 2005..
I bought and completed Halo Reach last week. At the same time I was also playing Crysis 2 on my PC with the DX11 and texture packs installed (yes I know it was dumbed down during the design phase for console compatibility). Reach doesn't even have the best 360 graphics going as its environments are more open compared to corridor crawlers like Dead Space 2, the frame rate is poor in places and the grenade explosion effects are laughable. Yet I didn't sit there saying "omg this looks garbage compared to what I just played on my PC". It was actually still an entertaining and atmospheric experience, I didn't notice the graphics at all, they were perfectly acceptable. That isn't me simply being blind, I mean that Golden Eye game that originally came out on the Wii looks diabolical on 360 and is an unacceptable step down from the PC.
Given that most console players will not be exceeding 1080p I don't see the problem here. I suspect that games at release will look pretty much identical to those of a top spec PC restricted to that resolution at the moment. You can expect to see huge gains in performance over its life time too, just look at 360 launch titles compared to those being released now.
It has to be a trade off between performance and price/noise/heat/RROD/physical size. I have a PC already and when I buy a console I want a console and not a second PC...
Evo 5 RS
I can tell you for a fact that piracy is not as key a factor as the industry would have you believe. Piracy is an issue on all platforms, not just PC. The main problem is porting. I'm not just talking about graphics, I mean all key elements. If something works well on Xbox 360, which lets face it is going to be the main target for most games - then it's not necessarily going to work well on PC, nor cater for the gamers that use it. Witcher 2 which will be on Xbox shortly sold over 1 million copies on PC, despite having no DRM (copyright protection). For those 1 million copies of Witcher 2 sold, over 890,000 copies of Gears of War 3 were downloaded on Xbox 360. They're all doing it...
That's an impressive sale on a game which has a fairly small audience being a fantasy RPG these days. Despite that, over 4.5 million copies were pirated (estimated). That's a huge number, but reflected on the number of copies sold believe it or not, that isn't a terrible ratio. The game still managed to sell over 1 million copies with NO copyright protection software...if the title is worth it's weight in gold, people will pay for it. Devs do tend to make matters worse by using DRM as it's a joke to most pirates and an irritation for those of us who have bought the games. Also it's one of the worst industries for out-right lies, 'respected' developers will claim PC release hold-backs are due to adding DX11 content and final touching, when in reality, it's so that the majority of people who want the game will go out and buy it on Xbox in the mean time.
Batman Arkham Asylum is a classic example, Rocksteady claimed the above - however when the game launched it contained multiple crippling bugs which hadn't been addressed. All it took was one curious person to check when the build was compiled, which tallied up with when the game was originally released on Xbox. They had neither added or changed a single thing since the game went gold. To me that's just a royal piss take before you go anywhere.
That's an impressive sale on a game which has a fairly small audience being a fantasy RPG these days. Despite that, over 4.5 million copies were pirated (estimated). That's a huge number, but reflected on the number of copies sold believe it or not, that isn't a terrible ratio. The game still managed to sell over 1 million copies with NO copyright protection software...if the title is worth it's weight in gold, people will pay for it. Devs do tend to make matters worse by using DRM as it's a joke to most pirates and an irritation for those of us who have bought the games. Also it's one of the worst industries for out-right lies, 'respected' developers will claim PC release hold-backs are due to adding DX11 content and final touching, when in reality, it's so that the majority of people who want the game will go out and buy it on Xbox in the mean time.
Batman Arkham Asylum is a classic example, Rocksteady claimed the above - however when the game launched it contained multiple crippling bugs which hadn't been addressed. All it took was one curious person to check when the build was compiled, which tallied up with when the game was originally released on Xbox. They had neither added or changed a single thing since the game went gold. To me that's just a royal piss take before you go anywhere.
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Evo 5 RS
http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/
Constant internet connection doesn't sound like a good idea at all. Sounds like it'll have some good hardware though possibly.
Constant internet connection doesn't sound like a good idea at all. Sounds like it'll have some good hardware though possibly.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
Sounds good.
SharkyUK
ClioSport Club Member
Don't quite believe everything you read though... not just yet. LOL! They've still got to bring it to market at a price that console owners will pay (en-masse) for; maybe around the £449 mark or less. That's just pure speculation on my part, though... and I have no current dealings with anyone directly involved in the manufacture and/or production of 'next-gen' consoles. /disclaimer I'm just hoping for a shed load of high speed RAM this time around.
I'm just hoping for a shed load of high speed RAM this time around.
Christopher
ClioSport Club Member
Z4M
I'll be buying the next-gen Xbox on launch, regardless.
Ill certainly get my money's worth from it so there's no point in delaying.
Ill certainly get my money's worth from it so there's no point in delaying.
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