nuwbie, which sport to get

[jiminy]

i have recently sold my mk2 golf gti and was planning to buy a lupo gti but realised the clios were same price, probably cheaper, but im scarred of the renault reliability, build quality
also there quite a few models to choose between and im getting a bit confused,

1st i drove a 182 with cup suspension but was not that impressed with gearchange, the accelerater button thingy and the seats were a bit tight and the brakes felt unresponsive
im not sure if this is normal (i thought all sports had fantastic brakes)

so today i tried the 172 cup (1st registered dec 02) this was completely different, i felt right at home but it was a much shorter test drive
i think the 172 is the one for me but the early cups dont have abs when was this introduced and was anything else added at the same time?, does this make them much heavier?

i think i should try the FF 172 to see if their is much difference

any advice would be much appreiciated

 

[JR]

non of the cups have abs buddy, the later cups had climate control as an optional extra, the very last 172 cups had about 100 made in silver. check out 172cup.co.uk for more infor or pm ukaskew as he is a very knowledgeable chap.

 

[Nomad]

i have recently sold my mk2 golf gti and was planning to buy a lupo gti but realised the clios were same price, probably cheaper, but im scarred of the renault reliability, build quality
also there quite a few models to choose between and im getting a bit confused,

1st i drove a 182 with cup suspension but was not that impressed with gearchange, the accelerater button thingy and the seats were a bit tight and the brakes felt unresponsive
im not sure if this is normal (i thought all sports had fantastic brakes)

so today i tried the 172 cup (1st registered dec 02) this was completely different, i felt right at home but it was a much shorter test drive
i think the 172 is the one for me but the early cups dont have abs when was this introduced and was anything else added at the same time?, does this make them much heavier?

i think i should try the FF 172 to see if their is much difference

any advice would be much appreiciated

This is really strange, i was in the exact same predicament 2 weeks ago...

Anyway, the lupo gti is an expensive car and bags of fun to drive, reminds of my ex 106 rallye hence why i pursued it. But as you say its similar price to the ClioSport which i pursued a ClioSport..

Anyway i tried a few cars: Fabia Vrs, Clio (ff, cup even a trophy), Mini Cooper S...

1st things first, the reliability of modern cars seems to be more a less the same nowadays, i mean Renaults will rattle but German cars if broken cost a lot to repair and get parts compared to French cars such as Renault/Citroen/Pugeot, so as long as you get breakdown cover any car be it German or French has a chance of breaking down. But the Renault will be cheaper to get back on its feet. The Lupo will be difficult for parts and for the price you're getting more car from the ClioSport.

Last night i purchased a Clio Cup 172, great fun to drive, more involving in my opinion that the ff and cheaper. But the ABS thing, hmm, i let it slide (not the car but the absense of ABS), since the rallye didn't have it either but it depends how much of a responsible driver you are, surely you're gonna know whether you can be responsible enough to know when you're not to stamp on the brakes round a bend in the pissin' rain. Yes i'd rather have a trophy but the cliocup is still spot on for me. Seriously any car can go tits up mechanically, its sods law, get breakdown cover...

Hope this helps.

 

[philmots]

get the 172 cup mate. love mine and be worth more in long run when become really rare. keep it std though

 

[jiminy]

cheers, is rust a big issue

 

[philmots]

not that i know of. your lookin at newish cars here so wouldnt imagine a problem

 

[jiminy]

can you get the FF 172 with the cup suspension or did that just happen with the 182

 

[BenWall]

a Lupo lol

 

[jiminy]

also wondering will the cup be more reliable because it is lighter and their are less toys to go wrong

 

[Nomad]

also wondering will the cup be more reliable because it is lighter and their are less toys to go wrong

well overall reliability will be same but as you say, less things to go wrong will result in less problems, i mean you won't have a problem with your air-con unit if you havn't got an aircon in the first place

(Lupo Gti's ain't bad y'know, gr8 fun, seem hard to get hold of though and have kept value well but i went for cliocup, no regrets)

 

[GarethM]

hey fella welcome to the club

where abouts you from?

 

[edde]

The Cup is just as unrelaible as a normal 172 it still has the complex electronics. The best one to get for simple wiring etc is the phase 1 172 there cheaper but also older so they could be more trouble due to there age.

 

[philmots]

whats complex about the electronics out of interest?

 

[edde]

whats complex about the electronics out of interest?

All Mk2 phase 2 car (in the Uk) have a stupid complex electronics setup there abig computer under the dashbaord which can fail and its £350 or so to fix also all the other bits are connected to it ie ABS so if tit fails your cars realy messed up. Fault findine without a Renault computer (expensive) is difficult if not impossible on the phase 2 cars.

Thats one reason why a phase 1 car in a phase 2 body is IMO the best option no one ever done it though.

 

[philmots]

ahh never knew about that. hope nothin screws up with it then, how much of a common problemis it? not read about it on here before

 

[jiminy]

hey fella welcome to the club

where abouts you from?

im from cheshire, i guess there are loads of us on here

 

[edde]

ahh never knew about that. hope nothin screws up with it then, how much of a common problemis it? not read about it on here before

Its not that often but they do fail a fair bit. The phase 2 cars have electirc throttle bodies which are about twice a common in failing though.

Personally I like getting rid of all potential issues. Plus the phase 2 wiring and UCH computer are extra weight. Plsus the throttle response isn't as good on the phase 1 cars.


Ps I'm from Cheshire way also.

 

[philmots]

im from cheshire, i guess there are loads of us on here

quite a few in the nw mate, where abouts in cheshire you from my gf is from there.

 

[philmots]

Its not that often but they do fail a fair bit. The phase 2 cars have electirc throttle bodies which are about twice a common in failing though.

Personally I like getting rid of all potential issues. Plus the phase 2 wiring and UCH computer are extra weight. Plsus the throttle response isn't as good on the phase 1 cars.


Ps I'm from Cheshire way also.

its ridiculous, cars are gettin far too complex with the electrics.!

but i suppose we do benifit too, its a catch 22

 

[edde]

its ridiculous, cars are gettin far too complex with the electrics.!

but i suppose we do benifit too, its a catch 22

Yep you loose the advantage of the ABS powering the speedo (gearbox sensor on the phase 1's so you have lesser choice of gearbox to fit) Also no crucie control on phase 2's (although only later phase 2's had cruise anyway).

 

[philmots]

do you know what powers the speedo on a cup then, with no abs? or does it have the ph1 'box ? blimey

 

[jiminy]

its ridiculous, cars are gettin far too complex with the electrics.!

but i suppose we do benifit too, its a catch 22

i dont think we do, thats the reason the lupo was my top choice, not many useless toys, the only modern things i want is abs but i could live without

im staying with my parents in warrington and doing up my house in nantwich

 

[gazcaddy]

i dont think we do, thats the reason the lupo was my top choice, not many useless toys, the only modern things i want is abs but i could live without

im staying with my parents in warrington and doing up my house in nantwich

Useless toys? theres nothing useless about air con when its 30 degrees outside

 

[Weeman]

Golf for clio, i'm sorry you have to downgrade

 

[Ali]

If your worried about build quality...Buy a VW.

 

[Gareth]

buy mine, get a 172 cup with the ABS and Air Con and Leather, you won't find a better example.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=155719

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/90011.htm

 

[KingTrophy]

A 182 Trophy is faster than a Bugatti Veyron.

 

[JoelDee]

Heey

 

[edde]

do you know what powers the speedo on a cup then, with no abs? or does it have the ph1 'box ? blimey

Ype they use a speedo sensor but its a derivative of the JC5 129 box with an output space not the same as the 130 box which the phase 1's used.