ok 1.6 megane in RT - gonna do it!

[steve_rt]

ive been thinking abou this for a while, and today i finally (perhaps stupidly!) decided that im going to do it. now before you all say "get a GTT conveersion" or whatever, the reason i wanna do this is becuase im pplanning to do it myself, and the GTT i know next to sh*t about and know you would need different mounts fabricated (amongst loads of other things!)

my question is, what year of engine can i get, and what exactly will i need to take over? should i put the whole lump in , or just the bottom end? and will i need the manifolds aswell, or not? oh and any ECU need to be taken over also?

cheers

 

[Adams_16v]

Not sure but I came across a 33k miles full engine for £150 notes a couple of months back!

 

[BRUN]

afaik you should shove the whole engine in, and for whatever reason i dont think Nick Hill could get the engines to run on an ECU so he uses a mappable Lumenition ECU.....

 

[steve_rt]

brun how much wor is that to take across, is it something i could do myself or would it have to go in for that?

manifolds?

 

[BRUN]

to be honest steve, if your gonna end up goin to hill power for anythin, i wouldnt bother doin it, for the money you will pay you can seriously get a gtt conversion

if i was you id speak to nick about it, hes not gonna give away how to do it easy, but hes helpful as you well know...

 

[Tom]

get a GTT conveersion

 

[steve a]

From what I no about it, put the head and bottom end in etc. But use your inlet manifold and throttle body. This because you would need a lumintion ecu other wise which is £400 on its own then a modified wiring loom etc etc.

Anyway ring hillpower get him to put a 1.8 laguna throttle body on and get it chiped. With this done should go well.

 

[BenR]

Doesnt sound like you know too much about the 16V yet alone the GTT!

If you need to ask so much, i wouldnt do it right now, havea go researching, have a look at it in a car it was designed for. You could probably mod the mounts specific to teh engine to fit your car. I would bring across the whole lump.

I really find engine conversions are a big thing at the mo for some reason, but everybodu seems to be jumping in the deep end....they all semm to ask questions that they really should know the answer too if they are plannig a conversion. It like people who write into mags asking about conversions and air filters.......

Sorry, rant partially over....lol

 

[lofty]

on the face of it, i have heard the 1600 16v engines is a flyer with big potential, but i cant see it being an easy conversion at all, everything is differtn ages and differnt cars,

what would be a very easy conversion is a 1.8 8v from a 5 door RT, might give you a bit more poke and will be using a clio engine from the same era as your 1.4, same ECU and you might be lucky anbd find the exhaust manifold is OK.

seem like alot of hassell for minimal improvment

 

[BenR]

the 1.6 16V is 110bhp, and ok......but in our megane cabrio....it was deal slow.

The1. 8v RSi is also about 110 aint it? although lovely heavy cast iron....lol

 

[steve_rt]

ok ben, didnt know it was a 16v!!! the 1.8 RSi is an 8v right, i think it only kicks out about 95bhp, according to haynes. (an F3P engine right?)

maybe it is a bit more work than i envisaged, and if it is then yeah ben id agree im not experienced enough yet. i was under the impression that the 1.6 was a straight swap-over, i.e the same as removing a 1400 and putting it back in, thats why i asked the question on here, to see what had to go over. im always well up for a challenge, and when i had my micra i jumped in the deep end with that, stripping the engine and re-building it, and was ok.

if its a 16v engine then would i be right in thinking it would be a multi-point injection system?

even though it loks like its gonna be a bigger job than i thought, id like to know exactly what would have to be done!

cheers

 

[BRUN]

its an 8v engine mate !

 

[steve_rt]

ah right,i see what he means, should know about the clios before i branch out to renaults in general!

well ok, an 8v single-point inj lump. i will try to get hold of a haynes for it - anyone know what year the engine was produced from, i would imagine the same time as the clio RT?

i am serious about this, not just dreamin and talkin out of my arse!

 

[BenR]

LOL....which motor are we talking about...the 1.6 16V our of the megane and newer clios?

It wont be a straight swap.

I dont know exatly what it would envisage, but a fair bit of fiddling. I have never contemplated a conversion as, well.....just too much like hard work.

I prefer to buy a sporty car and make it even more spritely.

 

[steve_rt]

just read this...

http://www.carsurvey.org/review_6411.htmlhttp://www.carsurvey.org/review_6411.html

its an owner of the megane 1.6 8v RT, says theres a known fault with the 8v engines - true?!

do you know of the 8v engine? no i wouldnt try a 16v conversion myself, can imagine the problems!

 

[Ben P]

by the way the 1.6 8v energy engine from the megane is multipoint injection, so the inlet manifold from the 1.4 would be useless, (though it would probably fit.)

 

[Ben P]

I was thinking a while back about whether the 1.6 inlet manifold would fit on the 1.4 engine. If so it might prove a fairly straightforward route into converting the 1.4 to multipoint injection.

That said the ecu may prove a problem, as on my car it controls the immobiliser

 

[BRUN]

its the 1.6 8v Energy engine that Nick uses, and yea its multi point injection !

 

[steve_rt]

right, cheers for the info, this is exactly what i wanted so i know exactly what im looking at - perhaps a bit naive becuase i assumed it was a straight swap over (i.e. why offer the 1600 megane lump when you may aswell put in a valver / GTT motor if there are going to be issues with injection, ECU etc.?)

im gonna try to get hold of a megane haynes and read about the system used in there, and will see if its still feasable for me to do myself - however, if its going to need a new ECU to even run then obviously im going to run into probems!

 

[BRUN]

the advantages in the conversion from Nick is that you get a practically new engine an box, and a lumenition ecu !

 

[DTWD]

Hi Steve,

When I spoke to Mr Power

(sorry crap joke)

Anyway he said that for £2350 (this was about a year ago) you would get fitted a 1.6 8v Megane engine with an induction kit, new cam shaft, new cam belt, new clutch and ECU oh and get it all setup properly. Now he said as standard they aint that much more powerfull than the 1.4s but they do offer a much better propersition for modding. It would take him 2 weeks aswell.

I dont know about you, but for that money I would get a GTT conversion. Torsion Tuning will do it for similar money and thats including an entire doner car. Which you can sell bits off.

But also dont forget Valvers are particually cheap at the moment. So for 2.5k your gonna get a pretty nice one.

But if I was you I would go for the GTT conversion. Just imagine the looks on peoples faces when they think they are overtaking a standard 1.4 rt and you boot the accelerator. God I want one now, but I got another year left at uni, no chance of it yet, and when I can afford it, all the R5 GTTs will either be destroyed, become clios or just too knackard. I saw one (R5 GTT) yesterday, perfect condition and with only 33k on the clock...it was fooking over £8k!

Paul

 

[steve_rt]

sh*t thats a lot of money for a extra 200cc, albeit with a basically brand new engine and ECU!

really, valvers are about for about 2.5k?! suddenly makes me wonder about doing this! however, i know the maintainence would be bloody high, as its about now all the biggies need to be replaced!

ill certainly look out for one, but i really should start to get this debt down first

 

[RobFenn]

It would be so cool to have an RT which is completely standard but in time warp condition...with a big engine in it! I think you might as well get the GTT conversion and keep the power friendly.

 

[steve_rt]

yeah, but money though!!! i wanted to do the engine conversion becuase (a) i love anything mechanical (b) i envisaged it would be a straight swop, and (c) therefore it wouldnt be too expensive!

just dont have 2.5k!!!

 

[RobFenn]