Polishing?

[Jay.S]

I am getting some new polishing products. My basket so far is menz 203s thats all.

I am looking at hand applicators but i am trying to get it all from one site to save on P&P.

I have checked PB out of Menz 203s, so i am on Cleanyourcar.co.uk, my question are these hand cut pads any good?

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/accessories/sonus-sfx-pro-applicators-pkg/2/prod_31.html

Thanks
Jay

 

[Jay.S]

Its ok now panic over decided to go for the lake country from PB as i am also buying the Werkstat Carnauba Jett, maybe the Werksatt Carnauba Glos too see how my baskets ends up.

 

[Gally]

Is your car RB mate? You don't need Glos.

What are you needing?

I know PB like the back og my hand

 

[Jay.S]

My clio is RB mate yes, but its going on saturday getting a red astra, I am trying to buy things for red now.

My basket at the min is:-

Menz 203s
Lake country hand cut pad
Werkstat Carnauba Jett

I am toying with idea of getting Z8 as i am getting the menz off cleanyourcar.co.uk

 

[Jay.S]

Anyone so i can order this?

 

[lesley]

Z8 is a really good product, if you get it just make sure you don't use too much, it only needs a very small amount to make your car look lush & shiny!

 

[Gally]

z8 and z6 rock my world!

 

[Jay.S]

does this sound ok then gally for the bodywork.

1. Rinse
2. Wash as normal using mitts, 2BM etc.
3. Rinse
4. Tar remover
5. Rinse
6. Menz 203s with light hand cut pad
7. Z8 wipe down
8. Werkstat Carnauba Jett

I dont have a clay yet but as it only needs a few times a year i will get one soon. I dont mind too much about a long lasting protection at the minute as i tend to wash it every 2-3weeks.

 

[lesley]

dunno whether using Z8 & Werkstat Carnauba Jett is a bit of overkill as theyre basically the same kind of product. If i were you id get some clay in your order too, if youre gonna do all that to your car you may as well do the claying as it makes such a big difference! With all that done you should only need a quick wash and wipe down whenever it gets dirty.

Don't forget all the little bits like tyre & trim gel, clean windows etc to add to the look when you're all done

ps. don't forget the pics when its all done

 

[Gally]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Z8 is a spray sealant mate, the same as Jett.

Z6 is a wipe down product that adds no protection. Carnuaba jett imo isn't durable enough. You need a wax mate and then maybe wipe down with Z6

I'd go...

Rinse ect....

Menz by hand, cleanser of some kind, prime from PB if you can. or blackfire GEP. The a simple wax and wipe down with Z8 or Z6.

 

[Jay.S]

I thought doing one on top of the other was a big no no? so which way round is it, wax on top of sealant?

Ok so i will get the Z8 as everyone seems to love that then my normal wax on top of that.

 

[Jordi17]

Is it a sport hatch youre buying ? what engine etc

 

[RS200Lew]

Must say Gally, Used Z8 quite a lot until i moved to pro detailer for cost reasons. Got myself some C2 concentrated the other week. Instead of the usual 25ml product to 500ml water, thought id go for 60ml product 500ml water and i cant recommend it enough. Id say it would out run Z8 in every way and still have 40ml of product left to either dilute again or use neat which is also superb on door shuts & sills

 

[Yellow Dave]

I've recently tried C2 and think it's a fantastic product, just not for my LY over summer as I prefer the wax'd look. I hear the dilute doesn't last that long though, maybe a month before it starts to go off.

 

[RS200Lew]

Its supposed be used as a top up over the concentrated application every 3 washes or so to keep the finish, which should see you over a 12 month period apparently. I just went overboard with the mixing ratio and its blindingly good as a detailing spray. i went 60ml/500ml as aposed to the stated 25ml/500ml. I reckon if you diluted the full 100ml to 500ml of water, it would be the best detailer on the market by far. Im going to try and mix 1ltr of water next and play with some percentages. As for the mix ive got now, 1 spray on your microfibre per panel when drying off is all you need.

 

[Jay.S]

I am just reading up on PB seems i should be looking at either:-

1. Menz 203s > Blackfire EGP > Blackfire sealant or Werkstat Acrylic

2. Menz 203s > Poorboy's EX Sealant > Werkstat Carnauba > multiple layers of Poorboy's Natty's Paste Wax

Also reading about Sealants vs Waxes, As i tend to wash my car every 2-3weeks i dont really need a wax although i will do a combo of them both when i do a proper detail. Which are you Gally a purist or a realist?

Its good to final realise the difference in what they both do though good read.

Quote from PB "The golden rule is that it is fine to layer waxes over sealants but not the other way around, simply because sealants rarely bond to waxed surfaces very well"

 

[Gally]

I'm most definitely a wax man! My Glasur and Celeste are testament to that. Both £100+ waxes that are simply special to use. To me that's why I detail because it's enjoyable.

This whole, apply C2/C1 and it'll last 6 months means nothing to me, if I wanted that i'd buy a tin of collinites and it would outlast anything on the market for £20!

Lets strip this back down mate, on red and blue imo you need a nice wax, but only buy a wax if you actually enjoy detailing and waxing.
If not buy Zaino Z2, it'll give 6 months durability and after every 1/2 washes top up with Z8, grand total? £40! That to me is a f**king bargain for the looks and performance Zanio gives.

Imo on your new car, i'd use...

203's
Blackfire GEP or Jeffs Prime
Then again all imo... EZ creme glaze
Then Wax/Sealant.
Z6 for between washes after drying to bring that just waxed look back (it'll blow you away)

What do you want to do? Do you want to leave your car for 6 months and only apply Z8 in between washes? Or do you want to wax maybe once every couple of months?

Because Z8 is a spray sealant it should only be used as a top up between washes, never use it after the "big" detail there is no need. So it's fine to go over a wax because it's not actually a sealant as such.

If using a wax use Z6 if going for a sealant use Z8.

 

[Jay.S]

Good advice gally thanks.

i am not really into the whole 6month protection products as i do like to give it a good detail every 2-3weeks, i also like to strip it all back and start again on average about every 8-10weeks, so the wipe sown technique could suit me well.

Although there is nothing better than giving the car a nice coating of wax after that hard days work, I think i will go with this:-

Menz 203s, Lake country light hand cut pad
Blackfire EGP
Poorboy's EX Sealant
Then a good wax like Dodo juice

Then get some Z6 or Z8 for for the times when time is against me. Sound good?

I am glad i didnt end up buying anything last night was good to have a read on PB and also get some tips of here, tonight is the night though could be expensive.

 

[Gally]

Do you have poorboys already mate?

If you're using Dodo Juice get Z6. Z8 will replace the beading and sheeting of the Dodo with it's own, it won't remove it but it'll sit ovre the top. Z6 will boosts the shine and gloss without affecting the wax/sealant.

What's Blackfire EGP? Do you mean gloss enhancing polish? If so that's a good buy for cleansing prior to sealant/wax.

 

[Jay.S]

Everything for the new red motor I will be buying new, sorry yes i mean gloss enhancing polish.

The only Poorboys product I have at the minute is the wheel sealant. The list looks nearly good to go then.

 

[Gally]

Indeed, so why are you so set on ex-p sealant?

 

[Jay.S]

Indeed, so why are you so set on ex-p sealant?

Oh I see now right ok so I only need one or the other I will go with Backfire then. Where getting there.

 

[Gally]

We are. The thing is I hate when people spend money on products that simply are not needed!

Buy wisely, that's what i've always done and you won't end up with a cupboard full of useless stuff you'll never use again.

GEP, if you want a sealant buy the BF AFPP along with the GEP (blackfire is still underrated) it'll also enhance the finish and then top with a wax of your choice.

 

[Jay.S]

Brilliant thanks gally will get the order in tonight.

Next stop claying.

I no I should do it before polishing but I don't really have the time at the min.

 

[Gally]

Don't worry about it mate. Mines needs clayed after the winter but i'm still going to glaze and Celeste it tonight.

Sometimes people read fancy threads of pros but normal people don't have that luxury of spending all day on their car sadly. So do what you can.

Why the change to the Astra mate?

Looking forward to hearing your feedback on the products, the blackfire applicators are going for applying GEP and AFPP and they aren't imo that expensive.

 

[Jay.S]

I have come to that stage in my life where moving out and trying to get on the property ladder is now top of my agenda. The clio is great I can't fault it just its abit expensive when you are trying to save.

In relation to Jordi's questions its a 3door, Red 1.7Cdti(100ps) model not the greatest I know but I can't have the best of both worlds.

I hope I get the same satisfaction as the RB gives me.

 

[Jay.S]

So this is the final list:-

Menz 203s
Lake country hand cut pad
Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Protection
Balckfire All Finish Paint Protection
PB Buffing Towel
Z-6 Ultra Clean Gloss Enhancer Spray

I will use the current wax i have if i decide to top it with a wax. Hope this helps anyone else that was also slighty confused.

Hope you like Gally i now need to buy a new box to keep these in. :approve:

 

[Jordi17]

about time too. got any pics?

 

[Jay.S]

about time too. got any pics?

Perfection takes time mate.

I dont pick the astra up untill Saturday morning am in two minds if i should post pics though, its a harsh world out thier.lol.

 

[Jordi17]

ye post them up I would like to have a butchers. is the rb a trade in jobby?

 

[Jay.S]

ye post them up I would like to have a butchers. is the rb a trade in jobby?

Yeah trade in, if you want it will be at Bristol Street Motors in Crewe. I will miss my RB. :dapprove:

 

[Jordi17]

how much are you getting offered for it?

 

[Jay.S]

how much are you getting offered for it?

Now that would be telling

Am off now to sink a few pints, see you all tomorrow.

 

[Gally]

Good news mate! Surely the Astra is still kinda expensive?

The RB isn't worth a fortune and doesn't cost a fotune to run imo.

List looks perfect dude.

 

[Jay.S]

Good news mate! Surely the Astra is still kinda expensive?

The RB isn't worth a fortune and doesn't cost a fotune to run imo.

List looks perfect dude.

I can't go back on the list I ordered it all plus a mega drying towel.

Well if you do 70-75miles a day in the RB it is expensive plus the insurance and tax. So the 55+mpg should help and lower insurance should help me out a lot. Every little helps when saving for a house.

Sorry for the spelling, grammar I have had a few.

I am mega excited to use all my new products though when I get chance I will post my results.

 

[RS200Lew]

I'm most definitely a wax man! My Glasur and Celeste are testament to that. Both £100+ waxes that are simply special to use. To me that's why I detail because it's enjoyable.

This whole, apply C2/C1 and it'll last 6 months means nothing to me, if I wanted that i'd buy a tin of collinites and it would outlast anything on the market for £20!

Lets strip this back down mate, on red and blue imo you need a nice wax, but only buy a wax if you actually enjoy detailing and waxing.
If not buy Zaino Z2, it'll give 6 months durability and after every 1/2 washes top up with Z8, grand total? £40! That to me is a f**king bargain for the looks and performance Zanio gives.

Imo on your new car, i'd use...

203's
Blackfire GEP or Jeffs Prime
Then again all imo... EZ creme glaze
Then Wax/Sealant.
Z6 for between washes after drying to bring that just waxed look back (it'll blow you away)

What do you want to do? Do you want to leave your car for 6 months and only apply Z8 in between washes? Or do you want to wax maybe once every couple of months?

Because Z8 is a spray sealant it should only be used as a top up between washes, never use it after the "big" detail there is no need. So it's fine to go over a wax because it's not actually a sealant as such.

If using a wax use Z6 if going for a sealant use Z8.

You lost me a bit there mate. I only stated that C2 is a very good detailing spray and not much cop concentrated. As for C1, its a ceramic coating that i didnt even mension! LOL. For a price tag of under £15 that will make 2 litres of detailing spray and will sit over any LSP is good for value just to start with. If you over concentrated by double and still made 1 litre of detailing spray, then you still getting twice the amount as you would with Z8, Z6. Then again, if you feel that you want it to be a dynamite detailer then just bang the full 100ml into 500ml of water and still save yourself a few quid. Im not under rating the Zaino range one bit mate. As you know anyway, im on my car every week so durability from products isnt a big issue for me either. Im a very big gloss fan and love the fact that you can tinker with certain sealants so it gives me more to do. Im sure that your £100 waxes are a pleasure to use but once applied, thats where the fun ends for me. Without stripping and messing around with base layers again etc, theres not really much maintenance there other than a detail spray if you get my meaning?

 

[Gally]

My only point was c2 is sealant and to top a lovely carnuba wax with a sealant is defeating the point.

Also the c2 will place it's own level of protection which will detract from the wax beading/sheeting, one of the main reasons you'd choose a decent wax.
The last thing you want to do is change the performance of your wax. I don't even use z8 on top of wax as it produces it's own beading sheeting so I use z6 which enhances the finish without affecting the wax.

 

[RS200Lew]

I never said put a sealant underneath or ontop of the wax, i was stating how good C2 is as a detailing spray (NOT CONCENTRATED) to top up on a sealant and how it would compare to Z8 in terms of price and how much product you will actually get. Topping waxes and messing with them= waste of products, thats why i said you can play around with certain sealants all day long which makes it more involving. Well for me anyway.

I think this comment you made " My Glasur and Celeste are testament to that. Both £100+ waxes that are simply special to use. To me that's why I detail because it's enjoyable.This whole, apply C2/C1 and it'll last 6 months means nothing to me, if I wanted that i'd buy a tin of collinites and it would outlast anything on the market for £20!" I think you made your point that your a wax man but making it enjoyable over anything else because you use 2 decent waxes?? If i was to go out and buy Crystal Rock because of its hype, i certainly wouldnt say it makes it more enjoyable! You simply get more results with more money you lay out!!

 

[Gally]

But even as a detailing spray top up the looks wouldn't touch Z8. Not even close.

I like sealants, they more than have their place beside waxes and the like. My car was wearing Z2 last month as is the Golf I just did. But at the end of the day they will never replace the feeling of applying a decent wax.

Crystal Rock which i'll be using soon on my boss' 997T is something you buh because it's special.
You really think people buy vintage just for it's ability? They buy it's because it feels special!

I don't own both those £100+ waxes because they are twice as good as RG55. I own them because they feel special to use. Some people underestimate that sometimes imo.