Possibly new car :) To Rally

[Jay_clio]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-RENAULT-...94QQihZ002QQcategoryZ9861QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

what you think ??? only the gearbox has gone, looking to buy 2nite so i can go pick up 2moz, i kno short notice but iv got the urge to rally now..

+ if you can find Old clio 1.4 3dr for less than £200 post link up


Ta

 

[Beef-Mc]

Looks like it's prob had a hard life.

An is it just me, or is the plate on back to front?

 

[Jay_clio]

ye it is, its gona get even more hard life when i rally lol. its gona be my first rally car tho, so just want to kno about the gearbox, if its easy to replace /buy

 

[bmh.01]

Changing the box is straightfoward enough, nothing special anyway. Wouldn't have thought a replacement box would be that much for the 1.4 imagine it'll be a JB1 box you'll be after.

 

[Jay_clio]

couldnt be arsed with that 1, so i bought 1 not far from me 17miles..
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....E:L:RTQ:UK:1&viewitem=&item=260136433543&rd=1 Bargain £150 only needs new head and 2 pistons .. expensive these pistons ?

 

[DynamiqueDebz]

couldnt be arsed with that 1, so i bought 1 not far from me 17miles..
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....E:L:RTQ:UK:1&viewitem=&item=260136433543&rd=1 Bargain £150 only needs new head and 2 pistons .. expensive these pistons ?

You'd prefer to mess about getting a new head and two pistons done rather than just swapping a gearbox? Are you mad or am I missing something here?

 

[Jay_clio]

na other guy wanted £250 i aint spendin dat much lol, so in the silver 1 im gona try n get a 1.4 engine and put it in, since it gona be my first raly car i aint 2 bothered if i smash it..

 

[tommyboy]

looks tired

 

[Jay_clio]

itl be awake when iv finished with it, just need to get;
Buckets,
4 or 5 point harnesses
Lowering springs (so if your selling pm me)
Roll Cage
Peco Exhaust
In Light (for the navigator)
induction kit maybe get more noise
oh and a 1.4 16v engine

+ how do you get an exhaust to backfire flames ? just out of interest here as some rally cars spit flames when changing gear ..

 

[Alan]

Hmm, you've got some good ideas and some very bad ideas there mate.

You cant just go buy a standard road car, strip it, lower it and put on a few a bolt on parts...

Have you seen the prep that goes into rallying, i dont mean the WRC just rallying in general, my uncle used to run a mk2 escort privateer rallying, you need proper rally parts if your wanting your car to survive a single stage, proper suspension, protection for major parts underneath the car, brakes that aren't going to fade after the 1st few hundred yards on the stage the list goes on...

The flames, turbo cars only, IIRC its something to do with the anti lag system.

 

[Jay_clio]

ye i kno there is some work, but i live in a popular place for rallys etc..
i can get parts rather cheap as i kno some ppl who can get them on discount, as for tyres well my m8t can get 4 tyres for £40(£10 each)

got a m8t who's dad can fit a roll cage for a cheap price so im sorted there, + to get a stump guard he will do 1 for me, i can do the brakes upgrade them or whateve i decide to do,

as you have said above "you cant just go buy a standard road car, strip it, lower it and put a few bolts on parts..."

well, as its Road rally were not allowed to strip the interior out only pull out stuff you dont need, lower it is to help with control, like lower the back and keep the fron high so you wont hit any bumps,

na you can get flames(backfire) from any car, there was some nova's at th saturday rally crist that was poping flames when flooring it, the crowd were going wild lol,

 

[Johnc172]

Sounds like you're trying to do it on the cheap and failing, if you are rallying the most important thing are brakes suspension and tyres, spending tenner each on tyres isnt going to do you any favours!!

 

[Jay_clio]

ye i kno brakes tyres and suspension have to be good, they tyres are suppose to be £28 each but since my m8t works there i can get them cheaper, cz they sell alot of the wheels to ppl who do rallys, so their not cheap, whats the point spending £50-60 on Yokohamas or watevr just to be ragged on gravel? theyl be s**t on gravel anywayz as they only get used on everyday roads.

 

[Josh@Renparts]

imo you got ripped off.... plus the 1.2 8v is hardly lively...

 

[G_F]

slowest rally car ever, would be more fun to stay at home and crack off imo

 

[FincH]

Tbh you'd be better off with an old Ph1 1.4 RT or RSi, stripping it and hoofing it around a field. A lot of work for you if you want to be taken seriously in a rally.

 

[GaryS]

itl be awake when iv finished with it, just need to get;
Buckets,
4 or 5 point harnesses
Lowering springs (so if your selling pm me)
Roll Cage
Peco Exhaust
In Light (for the navigator)
induction kit maybe get more noise
oh and a 1.4 16v engine

+ how do you get an exhaust to backfire flames ? just out of interest here as some rally cars spit flames when changing gear ..

I'd ditch the lowering springs and fit a sumpguard otherwise your sump will be trailing along the ground on some of the whites used by road rallies.

You might find a decent set of spots more useful than an induction kit too, especially as you have to pass a noise test before (and sometime during) the rally.

I wouldn't economise on tyres either, it's better to spend extra on a good set than have a big repair bill when you shove it in a wall cos you lost grip with your Khazacstan Turbo Special Crossplys.

 

[Jay_clio]

imo you got ripped off.... plus the 1.2 8v is hardly lively...

ye if you saw in my other post the engine has gona bang. there for im putting a 1.4 16v engine init,

slowest rally car ever, would be more fun to stay at home and crack off imo

good for you, does it look like i give a s**t:quiet: if you had read my post properly you would have seen i said "oh and a 1.4 16v engine" so you might wana go and visit Specsavers if ya cant read properly.

 

[M.C..]

what type of rallying is it you want to do? ie tarmac, gravel
if you are competing you will need to pass safety standard so you will need fuel/electrical system shut off switch on outside of the car fire extinguishers.
have you got the correct licence to rally because iirc you need some sort of racing licence.

 

[GaryS]

need a non-race Nat B licence unless you're only competing on 12 cars or invited club clubman events ( he said it was road rallying he's going to do).

 

[clioman]

i have been playing with this idea since watching the quinton stages on saturday. Id give up if i was you. The costs are never ending.

licence cost?
compettion insurance?
entry fee's?
tax?
mot?
fia approved race gear?
intercom?

it all add's up. trackdays are alot cheaper.

plus a 1.2clio(or 1.4) isnt the best chassis for rallying. sloppy handling, non responsive engines.

i have only seen a williams rallying.

stick to the proven track record cars, minis, 205, 105, micra, metro, saxo.

 

[kpowell911]

Metro would bea good start IMO

 

[Jay_clio]

i have been playing with this idea since watching the quinton stages on saturday. Id give up if i was you. The costs are never ending.

licence cost?
compettion insurance?
entry fee's?
tax?
mot?
fia approved race gear?
intercom?

it all add's up. trackdays are alot cheaper.

plus a 1.2clio(or 1.4) isnt the best chassis for rallying. sloppy handling, non responsive engines.

i have only seen a williams rallying.

stick to the proven track record cars, minis, 205, 105, micra, metro, saxo.

just need normal driving licence to do road rally's
just need normal insurance then when your there its £50 for the night,
entry fees aint that much around here the plan is to Split between Driver and navigator..
tax il need 1 ov them anywayz since il be using it 1-2 days a week,
Mot till April next year..
FIA = OMP Roll Cage , Bucket seats, Harnesses. thats all,
Intercom ?? Why? we aint doing WRC yano its easy to shout 30 left, 90right 90 left, hairpin,

i have been talking to a lot of ppl about rallying its not like rally's in england n ireland, its just normal roads that join into country lanes..

Its my first rally, therefore im not going to try and break any track records.

they dont use them cars around here anymore, only 1 Metro 6R4 on a Track ..

 

[jjoe90]

is this a joke?

 

[Jay_clio]

what type of rallying is it you want to do? ie tarmac, gravel
if you are competing you will need to pass safety standard so you will need fuel/electrical system shut off switch on outside of the car fire extinguishers.
have you got the correct licence to rally because iirc you need some sort of racing licence.

need a non-race Nat B licence unless you're only competing on 12 cars or invited club clubman events ( he said it was road rallying he's going to do).

dont need licence, just your normal 1. i have asked about this from ppl who rally,. ye Road Rally's ONLY .. so you cant go over the speed limit only on back roads which they wont kno, but they will if ya reach the marshal point 2 early..

ye, i kno i need them, i can get them from "Sbardun" welsh rally shop for discount as my m8t knows the guy ..

i have been talking with ppl and have came to the conclusion to start rallys even if i have a s**t car its only to prove you can go up Ranks, therefore need to finish the rally in any position

 

[Jay_clio]

is this a joke?

you live ina city, i live in the welsh country side, this is what welsh lads do Rally if ya havnt got any decent thing to say stop spamin my thread..

 

[clioman]

now that u said road rallies the clio will stand up to it. stage rallies is a whole different ball game.

 

[GaryS]

need a non-race Nat B licence unless you're only competing on 12 cars or invited club clubman events ( he said it was road rallying he's going to do).

dont need licence, just your normal 1. i have asked about this from ppl who rally

Ok, you know best, I rally myself so what the hell would I know. You might want to have a look here...

http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/contentViewArticle.asp?article=2590

... before you turn up at your first Nat B event though.

 

[springer]

Gary is correct

 

[Johnc172]

Might want to get the resistor of justice from ebay just to finish it off

 

[Jay_clio]

when i saw your post gary i started to think to myself then if you were right, so i Called up Huw Ger hes mad about rally and he competes in them. basicly asked him if i needed a NAT B licence and he said no. only thing is i have to held a full licence for 1 year and have MOT Tax n insurance. now thats coming off a Guy whos just bought a £45k Mk2 Escort ..

+ if you have seen my other post about selling parts of the Clio its because the rear beam/axle is rotten like hell and has spread, so i have now deicded to get a Corsa which is just waiting for me. so parts have to go

 

[GaryS]

Wow he's spent £45k on a Mk2..... doesn't make him the governing body of motorsport in the UK though, that's the MSA and their site says you need a licence for Nat B road rallies. As I've said already the only ones you can do without the licence are closed to club 12 cars and "invited club" clubman events. Ask Huw Ger if you can borrow his copy of the blue book...

 

[Dave_G]

I will Butt in! Im from wales, and i know a thing or two about rallying as i growed up along side my uncle who is a hell of a rally driver, and to rally you need a normal licience, you pay £75 entry fee for most events on the night, you pay about £50 for insurance,

The equipment you must have is:
FIA APPROVED SEATS
FIA APROVED ROLL CAGE
FIA HARNESSES

Thats not much, just proberly diffrent regulations that you have there thats all, no point bickering over it, Im not too sure about this licience you are allt aking about but this thread is for road rallies/night events and you dont have to get anything special for that

 

[jon_r]

Wow he's spent £45k on a Mk2..... doesn't make him the governing body of motorsport in the UK though, that's the MSA and their site says you need a licence for Nat B road rallies. As I've said already the only ones you can do without the licence are closed to club 12 cars and "invited club" clubman events. Ask Huw Ger if you can borrow his copy of the blue book...

I think your getting a bit confused here. From what I can make out the guy isn't going to be thrashing through forests ala WRC, but instead doing night time road rallies where you just have to navigate point to point using a map. Rallying doesn't mean just charging along forest tracks for 8 miles or so, it can be very different things.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_rally