so tell me. why did you buy a fast car/hot hatch?? if its for the looks/comfort why not rep a 1.2? cheaper in all areas. and apparently not a cat in hells chance of it reaching a ton. if its for the power, then the bit in bold speaks for itself.
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so tell me. why did you buy a fast car/hot hatch?? if its for the looks/comfort why not rep a 1.2? cheaper in all areas. and apparently not a cat in hells chance of it reaching a ton. if its for the power, then the bit in bold speaks for itself.
You don't come across as a mature adult with 2 kids to be fair.
You're the kind of person who thinks a "Spirited drive" means you have to break the speed limit.
You can hit corners at safe speeds and still get a buzz. You seem to think owning a hot hatch means you want to drive quickly everywhere.
You're the kind of person who thinks a "Spirited drive" means you have to break the speed limit.
You can hit corners at safe speeds and still get a buzz. You seem to think owning a hot hatch means you want to drive quickly everywhere.
so now your telling me what i think? this place just gets better lol.
a spirited drive is just that. a thrashing . whos to say what a 'safe' speed is? is 50 mph round a hairpin with a 300 ft drop at the side of it safe? no? then why are there roads like that in nat speed limit zones? if the guy in the trophy had come off at said hairpin under the speed limit hed still be getting the same flaming by the pc brigade jumping on the bandwagon.
whichever way you look at it, hes in the wrong. not because hes in a car thats too fast for a young kid, but because hes inexperienced at reading the road ahead. and unfortunately the only way people learn is by making mistakes, he did and was man enough to admit it. fair play to him. yes he was out of his depth, a lesson im sure hel take a lot from. but the fact remains that the majority of ppl slating him have done the very same thing at least once. as said before, hot hatches are built for that very reason, it takes a mature/experienced driver to know when its safe/not safe to drive like that. unfortunately he had neither.
a spirited drive is just that. a thrashing . whos to say what a 'safe' speed is? is 50 mph round a hairpin with a 300 ft drop at the side of it safe? no? then why are there roads like that in nat speed limit zones? if the guy in the trophy had come off at said hairpin under the speed limit hed still be getting the same flaming by the pc brigade jumping on the bandwagon.
whichever way you look at it, hes in the wrong. not because hes in a car thats too fast for a young kid, but because hes inexperienced at reading the road ahead. and unfortunately the only way people learn is by making mistakes, he did and was man enough to admit it. fair play to him. yes he was out of his depth, a lesson im sure hel take a lot from. but the fact remains that the majority of ppl slating him have done the very same thing at least once. as said before, hot hatches are built for that very reason, it takes a mature/experienced driver to know when its safe/not safe to drive like that. unfortunately he had neither.
Ph1 ITB'd 172
In answer to the question in bold:
Just because a road has the national speed limit does not mean you can travel at 60mph down it. It is a guide and that only. Roads are sign posted as national speed limit as on some parts of it you can go up to 60MPH but on many bends etc. you can not! It would be stupid to have signs at ever bend with a new speed limit and therefore we are given the freedom to use our common sense and travel at a speed that we see fit.
The highway code states that:
The speed limit is the absolute maximum and does not mean it is safe to drive at that speed irrespective of conditions. Driving at speeds too fast for the road and traffic conditions is dangerous. You should always reduce your speed when
- the road layout or condition presents hazards, such as bends
- sharing the road with pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders, particularly children, and motorcyclists
- weather conditions make it safer to do so
- driving at night as it is more difficult to see other road user
Take extra care on country roads and reduce your speed at approaches to bends, which can be sharper than they appear, and at junctions and turnings, which may be partially hidden. Be prepared for pedestrians, horse riders, cyclists, slow-moving farm vehicles or mud on the road surface. Make sure you can stop within the distance you can see to be clear. You should also reduce your speed where country roads enter villages.
The statement in bold covers corners on country lanes as many you cannot see around and therefore need to reduce your speed accordingly.
FF182.
Bad times..Why? Well I bought the old Sport as my previous one was a valver and wanted an upgrade..i wasn't going to buy a 1.2 Clio...Getting a 1.2 is a downgrade, plus the nicer things like xenons, climate, leather etc . I'm not going to spend thousands making it look like the real thing, I could afford it so why not. I had also got used to power delivery of a larger engined car.
If I was 18 yes but at the time I was 23. IMO I wouldn't want to drive round in a car knowing it's a a rep, that's just my view. I never drove the Clio crazy, even at meets when everyone wants to "prove a point"..just let them get on with it. And that's not because I'm a do-gooder or a boring fart or that I don't feel comfortable in my driving abilities, I just have a brain and know that i'm more likely to endanger myself and others by driving like an arse.
Majority of people in my year had powerful cars after mummy an daddy bought them it for their first car and most binned them in the first year..all because they didn't know how to handle a powerful car.
Now the Clio has gone and replaced with the lancer, I don't drive it any different on the road. Just because I own one doesn't mean I have to drive it sideways/to the limit all the time. Sure I do occasionally whazz the f**k out of it, I'd be lying if I said I didn't, but only usually on the main dual carriageways and usually only when it's not busy. The point is I know to expect the power delivery...if I was 18/19 and driving this I'd imagine it would be binned by now. This car behaves totally different to the Clio, and it did indeed catch me out a few times exiting roundabouts (note to self make sure I'm not in a gear and on full boost in future!). Thats due to experience.
hmmmmmmmm....read the post properly ffs.
Thank god you came along, I was beginning to lose faith with the world.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Depends entirely on the person, their ability & the situation they find themselves in.
I wouldnt start an insurance company personally, but i managed to survive at a young age, driving some relatively quick cars. I did start driving at 11 though, farmland + uncle's Evo 6 ftw
Thank feck for that!
agree with dave tbh. unexperienced drivers are more at risk no matter what car their driving. but then again some of the driving iv seen from ppl that have been driving for 40 years or more can be a hell of a lot worse than someone whos just passed their test.
Inferno 182 & Saxo
I honestly think it depends on the kind of person you are. Everyone likes a little hoon down a lane every now and again but some people do seem to have a death wish and have to nail it everywhere (for one a polish people carrier trying to overtake me on a roundabout at 60+ mph in thick snow yesterday morning).
Nothing at the mo :(
I had a saxo vts at 18. suprised i didnt die tbh.*23yo now*.dont drive my 182 no where near as crazy as i did my vts.. saying that cant remember the last time i actually went over the limit :S
328, MK1 Clio 1.4
This thread is f**king rediculous TBH. Of course it depends on the type of person driving, but if you are a sensible driver you will not be driving on or even any where near the limits of your talent or car or conditions.
There are of course exceptions, I have owned/driven some fast cars in my time, but never had an accident, that doesn't make me a good driver though, maybe lucky, maybe sensible. However, the majority of young lads are more dangerous on the road than most other people. That is a fact. Add a quick car to that and it is like throwing water on a chip pan fire.
There are of course exceptions, I have owned/driven some fast cars in my time, but never had an accident, that doesn't make me a good driver though, maybe lucky, maybe sensible. However, the majority of young lads are more dangerous on the road than most other people. That is a fact. Add a quick car to that and it is like throwing water on a chip pan fire.
mcrae reincarnated......lol.....i wish
give me a question that makes sense, il answer it
iv been driving 20 years legally, had 6 points and a couple of little scrapes. had some pretty quick cars in my time, driven some stupidly quick/powerful cars too. never had a big accident. maybe im lucky, maybe im sensible as to where i choose to give it a bootful.
take your pick.
can i control my car?? mostly yes, iv had a couple of offs on the track at speeds up to 90-100 without doing anything/one damage, bar scattering a few tyres on the entrance to fosters chicane. have i spun/lost control on a road..... no. i like to think i dont get myself into a situation that i cant control. have i seen triple figures on the road.... yes. as have no doubt all the ppl slating the driver of the trophy. do i admit it....yes. do they?....hardly.
All you're doing is self justifying doing over 100mph on the road because YOU think you can drive.
I'll repeat the question and you can explain what you don't understand about it.
"You can go over the speed limit on the road because you think you're capable of controlling your car? Am I right?"
So in essence what you are saying is you are above the law because you deem yourself to be capable of handling a car above the speed limit?
Please correct me if i'm wrong as i'm intrigued.
I'll repeat the question and you can explain what you don't understand about it.
"You can go over the speed limit on the road because you think you're capable of controlling your car? Am I right?"
So in essence what you are saying is you are above the law because you deem yourself to be capable of handling a car above the speed limit?
Please correct me if i'm wrong as i'm intrigued.
328, MK1 Clio 1.4
We are slating him for doing it in conditions that are obviously too much for the car or him to handle. I am sure most of us have seen triple figures on a quiet motorway at 1.00am, but that is totally irrelevant.
172 Ph1, Lupo GTI
A driver is only as good as his training. Some people are incapable of improving their skills because they cannot see their mistakes. A true 'good' driver knows his flaws and is able to adapt to the conditions faced.
Young drivers are and should be charged more for insurance, simply because no matter whether they crash or not, they will make mistakes and take bigger risks without necessarily understanding their level of ability or the cars ability.
I've done stupid speeds in cars. As thrilling it was at the time in hindsight I am fully aware of the risks I did not perceive at the time. Now I drive generally slower but maybe a higher average speed due to better awareness and reading of the road. Now chasing high speed on the road is rather boring and i'd rather race or trackday as its way more fun. You walk away from passing your test with a nice bit of paper letting you on the road, but you are not taught an understanding of car handling, and understanding the effect of your inputs or how to read a road. Some people never improve beyond that.
Kev
Young drivers are and should be charged more for insurance, simply because no matter whether they crash or not, they will make mistakes and take bigger risks without necessarily understanding their level of ability or the cars ability.
I've done stupid speeds in cars. As thrilling it was at the time in hindsight I am fully aware of the risks I did not perceive at the time. Now I drive generally slower but maybe a higher average speed due to better awareness and reading of the road. Now chasing high speed on the road is rather boring and i'd rather race or trackday as its way more fun. You walk away from passing your test with a nice bit of paper letting you on the road, but you are not taught an understanding of car handling, and understanding the effect of your inputs or how to read a road. Some people never improve beyond that.
Kev
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LY 220 Trophy+IB PH1
Some people have more to lose than other's and it changes there attitude to driving, i've not crashed as I drive sensibly because if I did it would be a struggle to get to work everyday. Some people don't have those commitments so lack the "Better not" attitude. Age is probably factored in due to the probability of younger drivers having less to lose than the more mature with families and homes to run so I think it's a little deeper than "there just young"
Im guessing the trophy owned did not have alot to lose as he has just simply replaced what he broke.
Im guessing the trophy owned did not have alot to lose as he has just simply replaced what he broke.
Nice to see my sky high insurance helping him buy a new car.
Most sensible post in this whole thread.
PMSL at all these "it depends on the driver and their attitude" revelations. No s**t Sherlock. That's the WHOLE point. Generally, young blokes in fast cars crash. Not every black person has thick lips (take Michael Jackson as an example) but most do. You can't argue with statistics.
Froffle. Were you guys taking a dump when you had this eureka moment? "OMFG it all depends on the type of driver!!3 Nothing to do with their age".
I despair at some people's logic at times. Then again I'm perfect.
Froffle. Were you guys taking a dump when you had this eureka moment? "OMFG it all depends on the type of driver!!3 Nothing to do with their age".
I despair at some people's logic at times. Then again I'm perfect.
Volvo XC60 T8
See I can understand that and you can but why can't a lot of other people?? :S
Corsa Van. Meh.
Stupid?
lol..yeah...cos i have to justify to you.....errrr , lets see....the sum total of feck all....
above the law??? no1 is above the law, unless of course you happen to be a pro footballer, politician, copper etc etc.
basically what your saying is i cant go 1mph over the limit cos i cant drive??? and you have never done this??? must be nice to be a perfect law abiding citizen such as yourself.... yaaaaawn
My parents have helped me out with all my cars, I'm not afraid to admit it.
Being sensible and appreciative of what you've got isn't just something that comes exclusively to those who've paid for it themselves!
Seems a lot of you are generalising that ALL young drivers are stupid and take unnecessary risks.
I got my 172 at 19 (now just over 20) and unlike other young drivers, I know MY limits as well as the cars limits. There's a time and a place for everything. I don't have anything to prove to anyone.
Again, the problem with most young people is that they don't have a clue about their limits and the cars limits and thing they're God's gift to the driving world. Unfortunately the governments will never get this through their head and introduce any form of mandatory driver training...
As above, my parents actually paid for the car. Everything else from there on in is my responsibility (insurance, registration & maintenance).
I got my 172 at 19 (now just over 20) and unlike other young drivers, I know MY limits as well as the cars limits. There's a time and a place for everything. I don't have anything to prove to anyone.
Again, the problem with most young people is that they don't have a clue about their limits and the cars limits and thing they're God's gift to the driving world. Unfortunately the governments will never get this through their head and introduce any form of mandatory driver training...
As above, my parents actually paid for the car. Everything else from there on in is my responsibility (insurance, registration & maintenance).
Got my 172 at the age of 19 also. I think i drove faster in my 90bhp golf 3 because i was afraid of the 172. I have only once driven it 100mph and that was at a dragrace on the airfield. The car started shaking so much that i was afraid to lose control. Much more fun going 10mph in the snow using handbrake
RDH
ClioSport Club Member
Do you just seek attention constantly?
lbrench
ClioSport Club Member
F250/RS5/A500/F150
Im Just doing a bit of trolling so wind your kneck in
Rob
ClioSport Moderator
Ironically you got what you wanted and are still moaning.
