Replacing Top Mounts - correct info?

[Mendizmo]

Hi guys,

I know it’s been covered before and I have used the search function, but the information seems confusing regarding the new style top nuts and mounts compared to the old style and how it doesn’t sit right.

I know there was an issue with the top nuts or a spacer?
If possible could someone please post the correct kit I would need to order to replace both top mounts on my 182?

Thank you.






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[Louis]

@STEVE.M

 

[STEVE.M]

Hi guys,
I know it’s been covered before and I have used the search function, but the information seems confusing regarding the new style top nuts and mounts compared to the old style and how it doesn’t sit right.
I know there was an issue with the top nuts or a spacer?
If possible could someone please post the correct kit I would need to order to replace both top mounts on my 182?
Thank you.

Save yourself a lot of trouble and order these to the original configuration.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Febi-Bilst...37597/1428599220?_trksid=p2047675.m4096.l9055

If you see what I mean.
https://www.cliosport.net/threads/172-new-top-mount-modified-spacer-issues.641094/

 

[leeds2592]

I've just bought some of the Febi ones for mine. Cheaper and saves messing round with the old spacer nut palaver.

 

[Mendizmo]

Thanks @STEVE.M and @leeds2592 - really appreciate it.
Can I just order them and get them swapped over like for like?
Use existing nuts etc?



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[STEVE.M]

saves messing round with the old spacer nut palaver.

I know what you mean by the old spacer nut palaver, in that you mean the new spacer nut.
Regrettably, if you don`t qualify every phrase or sentence, someone with misinterpret it.
That little sentence will cause confusion into the 2020`s.

 

[leeds2592]

I know what you mean by the old spacer nut palaver, in that you mean the new spacer nut.
Regrettably, if you don`t qualify every phrase or sentence, someone with misinterpret it.
That little sentence will cause confusion into the 2020`s.

Let them be confused muahahahahaha.

 

[STEVE.M]

Thanks @STEVE.M and @leeds2592 - really appreciate it.
Can I just order them and get them swapped over like for like?
Use existing nuts etc?
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That`s it, direct replacement.

Use the original 17mm half nut and separate top hat stepped spacer.

 

[Mendizmo]

That`s it, direct replacement.

Use the original 17mm half nut and separate top hat stepped spacer.

Thanks mate that’s great. Really appreciate it. (up)


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[ripp]

Hey @STEVE.M
I am currently running the k tec solid mounts and I'm thinking I might go for the std ones untill I'm gonna find replacement bearings for the solid ones. Question is.. That stepped spacer you mention.. Is it included in the febi kit because I'm not sure that I kept old parts from the original mounts.
Thanks!

 

[Louis]

Hey @STEVE.M
I am currently running the k tec solid mounts and I'm thinking I might go for the std ones untill I'm gonna find replacement bearings for the solid ones. Question is.. That stepped spacer you mention.. Is it included in the febi kit because I'm not sure that I kept old parts from the original mounts.
Thanks!

Why you changing out of interest?

 

[ripp]

Why you changing out of interest?

One of the k tec ones has a play in the bearing, so wanna take it off and start looking for a replacement bearing set. Untill then I would be using the std ones

 

[STEVE.M]

One of the k tec ones has a play in the bearing, so wanna take it off and start looking for a replacement bearing set. Untill then I would be using the std ones

The stepped spacer is not contained in a Febi kit, but KTR offer a service kit for their top mounts.

Best contact them for a price.

http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2847

 

[ripp]

Yeah I know that but I'm about to throw some 600 quid into other repairs. Paying 70 for 2 bearings plus 40 for transport to my country is 110. This is nearly the cost of the PMS mounts for example which is a bit too much now. That's why I'm trying to find replacement bearings locally at a reasonable price and run std ones untill then.

 

[alistairolsen]

@ripp I rebuilt mine with GEH20ES-2RS SKF Spherical Bearing 20mm Steel/Steel from Wych Bearings, but I'm sure you can find a local supplier in your country.

http://www.wychbearings.co.uk/geh20es-2rs_skf_spherical_bearing.html

Currently ~£45/pair plus shipping for SKF bearings which is a £30 saving over Ktec's price for a known quality bearing, but obviously means you need to be careful with the metal seal and the circlip as you'll be reusing them

 

[Louis]

@ripp I rebuilt mine with GEH20ES-2RS SKF Spherical Bearing 20mm Steel/Steel from Wych Bearings, but I'm sure you can find a local supplier in your country.

http://www.wychbearings.co.uk/geh20es-2rs_skf_spherical_bearing.html

Currently ~£45/pair plus shipping for SKF bearings which is a £30 saving over Ktec's price for a known quality bearing, but obviously means you need to be careful with the metal seal and the circlip as you'll be reusing them

Those aren't the bearings that are run from standard In the ktec mounts.
You're better off just going through ktec as you don't save much money sourcing parts yourself if you can't reuse washer and circlips.

The bearings you want are SKF GEH20C, the circlip is 40mm internal and you 32x44 ptfe washers

 

[alistairolsen]

Good to know what was in the originally, my set had no markings on the bearings and failed after little use so I replaced them based on dimensions and purchased the ones with lip seals to try and prevent dirt ingress (the standard washers dont do a great job).

 

[ripp]

Thx for the info guys!

 

[ripp]

Good to know what was in the originally, my set had no markings on the bearings and failed after little use so I replaced them based on dimensions and purchased the ones with lip seals to try and prevent dirt ingress (the standard washers dont do a great job).

What do these standsrd washers look like? don't remember seeing them in my mounts. Only visible componets are the mount body, the bearing pressed inside and the retaining circlip

 

[alistairolsen]

mine had a thin metal washer between the bearing and the circlip which ran against the bearing sphere as a dust shield

 

[ripp]

hmmm are yours the new style black anodised ones? Mine are the old gold design and can't remember them having those washers

 

[Louis]

They're ptfe, not metal (Or shouldn't be). I presume yours were replaced before you got them @alistairolsen

 

[alistairolsen]

Mine were black anodised and fitted when I got the car, i suspect somewhere between 2010 and 2014.

They may have been replaced, who knows. They were knocking and I replaced the dampers, so I fitted new bearings too and decided to go for the ones with dust seals for belt and braces.

The bottom line is that all these topmounts use a bearing in the wrong orientation and then leave them exposed to salt, water and air. They'll never last long and tbh arent at all suited to road cars. On a race car they'd be stripped and cleaned regularly, stored in a garage and never exposed to salt.

Sadly renault made suck a crock of the original design and the aftermarket is all "race-yo" that no high stiffness rubber bushed alternative exists.

 

[ripp]

lol yeah... instead of the std ones I'd better live with the noisier solid ones and replace the bearings once every couple of years. The previous ones lasted around 5 years before one of them started to develop a play in it