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Silverline vs. Meguiars G220



Ian

  Focus TDCi
I'm slightly baffled by the difference in price between theses two pieces of kit.

Looking through the forum I kind of get the impression that the G220 is fine for swirls and polishes but not so good for deeper scratches.
Whereas, the Silverline are better for all types of scratches, but carry a slightly heightened risk of damage to the paintwork. Is that correct?

So my point is, if the Silverline is the better piece of kit, why should I pay 3-5 times as much for a G220?

Admittedly the Silverline needs a base plate, pads and polishes; but I've taken that into account.

G220:
http://www.i4detailing.co.uk/acatalog/Meguiars_G220_Sonus_SFX_Kit_1.html

Silverline:
http://www.i4detailing.co.uk/acatalog/Silverline_Rotary_Polisher_1.html

If it's worth paying the extra for a G220 or if a Silverline is too risky then I'll get the G220. I could do with one of these before the end of the week, so please help! :S
 
  Shed.
Its about perfecting the finish with the rotary, or being able to rarther. the g220 is good, but youll find it hard to remove rds and scratches. The rotary does the work,a nd you can apply pressuer without the machine stopping rotating, where as the g220 will stop rotating, or certainly slow down if pressure is applied. Takes more time to do a whole car with a G220 too.


Dont let it put you off though, The rotary is good and if youve got time to practice getting the finish right on a scrap pannel and see how easy it is to do a burn through.....id go with the rotary. I went with a G220 and i dont feel it has enough bite.


On the plus side for the g220, once youve been round it once, its easy enough to give it a quick polish to remove light swirl marks again.



Go for the sonus SFX Pads with the menz polishes. DO NOT get the meguiars pads and polish. I got the megs pads and polish and they are utter tripe. the polishing pads managed to get through only a single car and my cutting pad has almost given up the ghost, and #80 has fillers, making your work pointless.


Ive not got the sfx pads and the menz polish and they are fantastic.
 

Ian

  Focus TDCi
Ok cheers Michael. On balance then for typical everyday use the Silverline is still easier to use than the G220? Hopefully once I've gone over the car once I won't need to worry too much about deep scratches etc, or is the Meguiars better at the everyday?

I assume by burn-through you mean completely mess up a panel by going through the paint? That puts me off a bit!

This is the worst scratch on the car:
DSCF1424.gif


I realise whichever I buy won't get rid of completely because it's through to the plastic in places, but if I could get rid of the majority that would do for now. Other than that there are a few deep scratches and a lot of light scratches and swirls.

Are the pads and polish bundled with the G220 in my OP the correct ones? Or should I get Menz instead of Sonus? Are there any package deals for the Silverline?
 
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  Shed.
yes there are bundles available. Polished bliss do a good discount when you spend over a certain amount. i think with a bit of perseverence the scratches towards the top of those lot will be removed. The scuffs will go quite easily tbh, the deeper scratches wont get shifted unless you wetsand after youve gone over it with a paint stick.

i4detailing are selling the silverline iirc, and if you email him and see if you can get a package deal you might be lucky.

I wouldnt worry about burn through, you really have to go at it to burn the paint, its a missused term to make the rotary sound like a dangerous machine, in fact, with practice its very tame.

Either menz pads and menz polish, or sonus polish with menz pads. both are good.


http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polis...iars-g220-complete-menzerna-kit/prod_414.html

http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/acatalog/meguiars-g220-dual-action-polishing-machine-polish.html

http://www.i4detailing.co.uk/acatalog/Meguiars_G220_Sonus_SFX_Kit_1.html

Like i siad, try emailing them, see if theyll do you a swap on an order. The traders ive listed are very good, very well known and are always helpful and communicate relativly quickly and are more than keen to help you out, and im sure they will be more than happy to swap the polishes or the pads for you. I personally ordered my G220 from polished bliss, but i made a £250 ish order and got a very good discount from them. Polished bliss do discounts depending on how much you spend.


i4detailing do a 7.5% discount for cs club members and Cleanyourcar do a points sceme, like you get points from evey transaction which can be sued to buy s**t from the website.
 
  Shed.
This is what i achieved form 30 mins work....Megs #83 (compund) on a cutting pad, #80 on a polishing and then srp, followed by dodo juice wax. Dont get the megs stuff though.

DSC01551.jpg
 

Ian

  Focus TDCi
I was thinking, "well that isn't very clean or shiny" but then I realised what you'd done! lol!

Right, well thanks very much for taking the time out to help, I'll send out a few emails, see what I can do.

Cheers,
Ian
 
The Meguiar's Solo Rotary Starter kit is worth a look, contains everything you need to get a Silverline up and running;


Kit Includes:
  • 1x M8632 Cut & Polish Cream 32 oz
  • 1x W6614mm Rotary Backing Plate
  • 1x WWHC7 Wool Heavy Cutting Pad
  • 1x WWLC7 Wool Light Cutting Pad
  • 1x WDFP7 Diamond Foam Polishing Pad
  • 1x WDFF7 Diamond Foam Finishing Pad
  • FREE Solo System Wall-Chart!
  • FREE Solo System Secondary Label!
  • FREE Solo System Baseball Cap!
http://www.i4detailing.co.uk/acatalog/Meguiars_Solo_Rotary_Starter_kit_1.html


The pads and polish can also be bought seperately from the store.

Interestingly quite few of my pro customers believe the Megs Soft Buff 6.5" pads are better for rotary than for use with a DA.

Matt
 
  106 GTi
If you do get a rotary ignore the Megs pads are crap as they are one of the best pads out there to use on it.

That pic of the damage is beyond fixing with polish alone.
 

Ian

  Focus TDCi
Sorry missed your posts guys. Bit of an about turn, as Matt will already know. I'm thinking of going down the G220 route now, costly I know.. but I figure it'll cost less to get a Silverline after it if I'm not impressed with the G220, than to either make a costly mistake with a Silverline or decide that I want a G220 instead. All psychological I admit.

So anyway! I'm at a bit of a loss here, but the process would be:

1. Rinse down car [Pressure Washer]
1a. Leave to dry
2. Clay car [Sonus]
2a. Buff off clay
3. Machine Polish with G220 - [Sonus pad] [Menz polish]
4. Super Resin Polish [or equivalent]
5. Extra Gloss Protection [or equivalent]
6. Dodo Juice [or equivalent]

I've a feeling I'm way off the mark, but is that 100% right? Is the Menz polish effectively doing the same thing as the SRP? Could somebody point me in the direction of, or write me out, a step by step list if the above is wrong. As far as I know the products I've chosen will achieve a good finish, I'm just not sure how to use them to best effect.

Also, are the G220s back in stock, Matt? I know it's too late to get one for tomorrow now, but may order one next week.

Oh and I know all the scratch won't come out Rich, but I'm hoping to tidy it up.
 
  106 GTi
There is no buffing off as such with clay.

There may be more steps to the Machine Polish stage depending on how bad the swirls are, if for instance you end up using Menzerna Intensive Polish on a cutting pad, you will probably need to refine the finish with Menzerna Final Finish and a polishing or finishing pad.

The SRP step is still needed if you want the Extra Gloss to bond.

You may tidy up the light parts, you would be better of getting some touch up paint and giving it a wet sand before you polish it.
 
  Shed.
1. Rinse down car to remove lose shite [Pressure Washer]

2. Washcar with Bucket and washmitt to remove further dirt thoroughly.

-No drying needed at this stage.

2. Clay car [Sonus green, or seeing as the car will be polished up via machine, megs agressive clay (see polished bliss)]

-Clay is simply rubbing the clay bar gently over the paintwork to remove all bonded contaminates such as tar and bonded dirt, paint and clay bad must be kept lubricated using whatever you want, some shampoo and water in a spray bottle will be fine, or use water if you want. Take a claybar and cut it into 3rds or as you require, make a wafer out of the clay and proceed as above.

3. Wash again via bucket and washmitt quickly to remove anything left.

4. Dry car.

4b. Use a good masking tape to mask up all vynal and rubber, and all other aquard places.

5. Machine polish with G220 - [Sonus pad] [Menz polish] [halogen lamp or bright lamp required/reccomended to asses swirl marks and other damage]

A quick word of advice.....If you use a cutting pad and a compounding polish, you will find the finish is dulled slightly with black, and many other colours actually, and going back over the car with final finish is a good idea if your after a good result. This stage will remove all minor scratches and working with a cutting pad and a compound you will be able to remove some of the deeper scratches.

6. Super Resin Polish [A good base for Last stage producs like wax and EGP, apply via hand and a Microfibre applicator, or if you like, a duster or a lint free soft rag which wont scratch the paintwork]

5a. Extra Gloss Protection [1 layer every 24 hours (leave for 24 hours before applying another coat, allow 1 hour after application for it to dry and then buff off) - will require a coat of srp before use to enable it to bond correctly, this stage is optional, and i only reccomend it if you have access to a garage where you are able to leave the car in to keep dry overnight, so you can then apply a second coat or apply a layer of wax after the 24 hour period withou tthe need of rewashing.]

5b. Wax - if you want it [Make sure there is a 24 hour period between the EGP and the coat of wax. There should be a 12 hour period between each coat of wax. ] Try the collinite 476s, its cheap and durable, im using it at the moment, i have applied it on 2 silver cars so far and the reults have been fantastic, however i have yet to see the reults on black.


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I've a feeling I'm way off the mark, but is that 100% right?

Almost ;)

Is the Menz polish effectively doing the same thing as the SRP?

You can use final finish and then not use srp. But EGP will need srp for it to bond. However, you can jump from final finish straight to the wax if you want. SRP is filler heavy and contains hardly any abrasives, where as other menz polished contain abrasives and no fillers. A filler heavy product will mask swirl marks, where as one with abrasives will wear down the clearcoat untill the swirl marks are gone.

Could somebody point me in the direction of, or write me out, a step by step list if the above is wrong.

:cool:

As far as I know the products I've chosen will achieve a good finish, I'm just not sure how to use them to best effect.

Hoping i have explained some or most of that above. I definately reccomend the SFX pads and the Menz polishes, they are a fantastic combination and the menz polishes contain no fillers as far as i know.

Oh and I know all the scratch won't come out Rich, but I'm hoping to tidy it up.

Look into wetsanding mate, but from what i can see the damage is pretty bad, so i personally think a new bumper is in order.

Wetsanding is basically going over the scratch with a paintstick, letting it dry, sanding it down with 3000 grit wet or dry paper which has been soaked in soapy water for 24 hours and literally sanding untill the surface is level, and then going over the sanded area with a machine polisher.



phew :boring:
 
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Ian

  Focus TDCi
Haha cheers Michael and Rich, that's an excellent help. I'm off to Birmingham/Silverstone/Fairford for the weekend, but will hopefully get straight on to it after that, assuming the car's still in one piece.

The bumper could do with replacing, I'm just spending money left, right and centre at the mo, so I'm gonna leave it for now. I'm also still in two minds about whether to keep this car at the end of the year or get a newer Clio, kinda makes it hard to commit to spending a lot on it!
 
  A well built VW
Black car + Silverline + Beginner = Holograms

Good choice going down the G220 route for a beginner

If your using Menzerna polishes you can ditch the SRP and EGP and invest in a good sealant such as Werkstats Acrylic Jett or CG Blitz
 


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