Speedo problem! 172 Gearbox fitted doesn't have that speedo drive!

[ryan_NI172]

Have a 172 and it was bought with the speedo fault. A gearbox was fitted before I got the car but at the time I never put 2 and 2 together. I have the multi plug hanging down to plug into the speedo sensor but there's no hole in the box for it to go into.

Question is now has anyone had this problem and if so is there any way to wire up a speedo to the abs like the clio the box came from.

Total pain this.

 

[MicKPM]

In general, If you have either a Ph1 172 or a 172 Cup then the simple answer to your question is no... New gearbox with a speedo drive will be required.

 

[Dan@SJM]

If you have a regular 172 however, you just need someone like MicKPM or myself who knows their way around CLiP.

 

[ryan_NI172]

It's an 02 full fat 172 if it makes any odds, I've a good auto spark that does work for me so any pointers appreciated.

 

[172lover]

As dan says...
needs to be plugged into "clip" (renault official software)
no other way around it.
(beside changing box again)

 

[ryan_NI172]

And what am I doing once I plug it into clip? Do I need a different abs sensor or any other parts?

 

[Dan@SJM]

No, you need to reconfigure the dials. But this isn't an easily done thing.

 

[ryan_NI172]

And where does the ecu/dials get a speed reading from?

 

[Russ_16v]

On a Ph1 172 / Ph2 172 cup the reading is from the sensor in the box, all other variants get the readings from the ABS sensors

 

[Chip-mk1]

On a Ph1 172 / Ph2 172 cup the reading is from the sensor in the box, all other variants get the readings from the ABS sensors

Early full spec 172 ph2 do it from the box too, not just the tesco value cup ones.

 

[Big P Dog]

Might need to just plug that connector in then!

 

[Russ_16v]

Early full spec 172 ph2 do it from the box too, not just the tesco value cup ones.

Ooh do they? Never knew that, all the ones I've seen have been abs

 

[krappy]

Mine is an early 2002 non-Cup 172 and it has the speedo sensor...

 

[Cub.]

Ooh do they? Never knew that, all the ones I've seen have been abs

You've seen my car

 

[Dan@SJM]

And where does the ecu/dials get a speed reading from?

From the ABS Module.

 

[Mini182]

Also I think some late Ph1's have a sensor in the gearbox as well.

 

[172lover]

All ph1's have the sensor in the gearbox...

 

[Russ_16v]

You've seen my car

Lol true (still love youes btw) though I never studied the gearbox

 

[Cub.]

Lol true (still love youes btw) though I never studied the gearbox

Lol. There is still time! Llandow will be good, be good to catch up

 

[ryan_NI172]

From the ABS Module.

Interesting... I'm Gona run this past my auto spark. Great help!

 

[Dan@SJM]

The wiring is no different. It's all in the software coding.

 

[ryan_NI172]

Can different clocks or ecu not sort this? Or is re coding what you've got the most cost effective way?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Also I think some late Ph1's have a sensor in the gearbox as well.

All ph1 do.
Early proper ph2 172 do
all 172 Tesco value cups do
all late ph2 proper 172 don't (52/03 is change over roughly but depends how quick car was registered)
all 182 inc cup and trophy don't

 

[Dan@SJM]

Can different clocks or ecu not sort this? Or is re coding what you've got the most cost effective way?

well, new dials provide the issue of finding the correct mileage, and you could still end up with a set that had a speedo drive.

Recoding by someone who really knows their way around CLiP is the best option, but not easy to find.

 

[ryan_NI172]

It's a track car ..... so the miles I'm not to concerned about. Really just need a speedo sorted ASAP. So if I was to chase up clocks would they need to be from a 172? Any differences in the multi plugs at the back etc? I've a Renault breaker 10 mins from me so I could plug and try a few clocks ya no.

 

[Dan@SJM]

It needs to be a non soeedo drive 172.

 

[ryan_NI172]

What about non speedo drive 182? (Just so I can fill in the breakers just) ..... I'll be on the chase for clocks ASAP!!

 

[Dan@SJM]

182's aren't speedo drive anyway.

 

[ryan_NI172]

So 182 clocks will work?

 

[Dan@SJM]

Yes/

 

[ryan_NI172]

So to sum all this up the solution to my problem is 182 clocks.

 

[ryan_NI172]

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[ryan_NI172]

182 clocks fitted today. Still no speedo working. Any ideas? :-(

 

[ryan_NI172]

Really stuck on this one boys.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Have you reconfigured the UCH in clip to send the speedo data from the ABS to the clocks? Thought that was needed to TBH although I know very little about Clip I normally just go running to Dan@SJM if I need anything doing on clip as I havent got it, lol.

 

[ryan_NI172]

No I just plugged them in as I thought it would work. Will have to try and find someone local who has it. What does uch stand for?

 

[Chip-mk1]

comfort control module, no idea what the actual initials are though, probably in french.

 

[ryan_NI172]

Wonder if it's handier replaced with a uch from a 182 than reconfigured with clip?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Wonder if it's handier replaced with a uch from a 182 than reconfigured with clip?

If you do then you will need the ECU and the Key as well, they are coded together.

 

[ryan_NI172]

I'm considering changing my uch here. Can anyone tell me if an ecu/uch will work from a 182? Or will I need to source one from a 172?