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mattygm

  RenaultSport clio 172 mk2
Hey all

I read a while ago a few negative posts about Superchips etc not being v. good and dont make much of a difference, i had my 172 superchipped yesterday with their latest software and gave me an extra 16bhp which i couldnt believe but stayed with them while they did it and went on rolling road before and after so got power readout and feels very different in a good way.

Anyone give me some advice on what oil is best to use on my 172?

Cheers

Matt
 
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mattygm

  RenaultSport clio 172 mk2
Have got graphs but not electronic copy, will scan when get back to work and put up. I also have green induction kit but that's all. No nothing else installed like the ebay thing mentioned just a download of the latest software. The acceleration no longer kicks of at around 6.5rpm and just carries on around the clock, must have been a quicker 172 to start with
 
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TheJesus

10w 40 in this weather, 5w 40 just gets drunk like petrol... good in winter though.

as for the chip it's not 16bhp, they can basically type their own made up results into the RR should they so wish. best way to tell is drive it and see if it feels any different, as all a superchip does is increase your rev limit, I doubt anything is actually altered in the fueling.
 
The Hoff

The Hoff

  SLK 350
I hope they'd alter the fueling, especially if he's using an IK - otherwise it would be a pretty lame service.
 
Justin182

Justin182

  BMW M3
Very surprised at 16bhp tbh mate.

Are you sure its not at some point is the rev range and not peak.

Even then its a tad far fetched.

Could be wrong though, but that must be the highest claimed bhp from a remap now on CS.
 
nykola

nykola

  Ph1 172
I'm surprised at some of your responses on here, anybody knows that on a normally aspirated car, a chip will give you approx 10% increase in BHP and 15% increase in torque. A superchip does slightly more than just increase your rev limit, it actually does alter the fuelling also. So 10% on a 172- 16BHP is about right, obviously they are giving you an approx. You wont see the full benefits of a super chip without other mods, my advice would be get a de cat also.
 
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edde

nykola said:
I'm surprised at some of your responses on here, anybody knows that on a normally aspirated car, a chip will give you approx 10% increase in BHP and 15% increase in torque. A superchip does slightly more than just increase your rev limit, it actually does alter the fuelling also. So 10% on a 172- 16BHP is about right, obviously they are giving you an approx. You wont see the full benefits of a super chip without other mods, my advice would be get a de cat also.
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Noone has ever got a 182 to 200hp with a chip whcih is what your caliming a remap will do.
Any more than 5hp on a stock engine I'd say personaly is wrong.

Renault had to do more than remap to get an extra 10hp out of the car.
 
Justin182

Justin182

  BMW M3
Ive had a superchip on my 182 and thought it was pish, in my own personal opinion. And im sorry if anyone has one or works for them, its just i spent a lot of money on it, in my naivety, and the one time i noticed any difference was after a diag check by renault when they reset the map to normal without telling me, and i then had to ask them what they did as the car felt faster.... i was not best pleased.

Im sure it might be a different story for turbos, but their marketing hype on the 2.0 NA engine for the 182 caught me.

So, im guessing the mapper either messed up when doing mine, or they have changed it between mine and yours.

www.rstuning.co.uk........... now thats a different story :approve:
 
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Matty

  Clio 190bhp Hybrid
I took my Hybrid to Chip Wizards who does a proper ECU remap. Took it there with 180 bhp on RR using the 1.8 BBPT chip I had from my Valver and came out with 190bhp. So 10bhp from a very high regarded engine remapper getting the most out of the bigger valves, headwork and cams, and lightend and baclanced BE.

I was advised further gains could have been had due to cam timing but like the way it is still quite smooth lower down the revs so not going to trafe that for some more bhp.

So from my experience, 10 bhp is acheivable but like I say, that was getting the most out of previous mods too.
 
Neil G

Neil G

  Clio 172 mk2
Interesting results...seems like a huge gain to me.

As far as the oil goes use a good 5/40w all year round.
 
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TheJesus

nykola said:
I'm surprised at some of your responses on here, anybody knows that on a normally aspirated car, a chip will give you approx 10% increase in BHP and 15% increase in torque. A superchip does slightly more than just increase your rev limit, it actually does alter the fuelling also. So 10% on a 172- 16BHP is about right, obviously they are giving you an approx. You wont see the full benefits of a super chip without other mods, my advice would be get a de cat also.
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LOL, you're not serious... please?

Anyone knows that on a normally aspirated car an off the shelf winky wanky chip WONT give you anything like, similar, or even close to 16bhp, 10% whatever... simply not happening. The ONLY time you'd ever see a 10% gain would be on a fully developed engine running some good mods (cams, headwork, TB's etc etc). I'm running an off the shelf chip and my cars slower, but after a reset it's marginally quicker than the standard ECU, certainly not worth the money. and no where near as good as a remap which still wont give you those kind of power claims. I'd only trust an independent RR for a before and after test personally.
 
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Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
Justin182 said:
Ive had a superchip on my 182 and thought it was pish, in my own personal opinion. And im sorry if anyone has one or works for them, its just i spent a lot of money on it, in my naivety, and the one time i noticed any difference was after a diag check by renault when they reset the map to normal without telling me, and i then had to ask them what they did as the car felt faster.... i was not best pleased.

Im sure it might be a different story for turbos, but their marketing hype on the 2.0 NA engine for the 182 caught me.

So, im guessing the mapper either messed up when doing mine, or they have changed it between mine and yours.

www.rstuning.co.uk........... now thats a different story :approve:
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Echo that last bit ^^ Paul's Map is working nice for me.
 
nykola

nykola

  Ph1 172
I am serious yes, and this is a proven fact. I'm sorry to say but it seems a lot of you may have been ripped off - if your car is slower with a chip in, you've either been ripped off or it's not the correct software on the chip for your car, which to be fair a lot of retailers dont pay for the sofware upgrades as they are released and simply sell OLD chips. SIMPLE AS! I actually work for a company that sells superchips, so my opinion may be biased, but I have a superchip in my car and have seen more cars chipped and run up the rolling road than you could shake a stick at and I know exactly how they work. A superchip (I cannot speak for any other off the shelf chips) alters your ignition timing, your rev limiter and the fueling. It doesn't just turn them all up, it is a lot more complex than that and the fueling is altered at various RPM levels to give a much more smooth and responsive drive. Get it on another rolling road if your sceptical about the figures, to me it sounds about right.
 
RSTuning

RSTuning

ClioSport Club Member
  R35 GTR
nykola said:
I am serious yes, and this is a proven fact. I'm sorry to say but it seems a lot of you may have been ripped off - if your car is slower with a chip in, you've either been ripped off or it's not the correct software on the chip for your car, which to be fair a lot of retailers dont pay for the sofware upgrades as they are released and simply sell OLD chips. SIMPLE AS! I actually work for a company that sells superchips, so my opinion may be biased, but I have a superchip in my car and have seen more cars chipped and run up the rolling road than you could shake a stick at and I know exactly how they work. A superchip (I cannot speak for any other off the shelf chips) alters your ignition timing, your rev limiter and the fueling. It doesn't just turn them all up, it is a lot more complex than that and the fueling is altered at various RPM levels to give a much more smooth and responsive drive. Get it on another rolling road if your sceptical about the figures, to me it sounds about right.
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When you say pay for software updates i assume you mean the companies that don't develop their own software and buy in the files?

That's cheating!

Paul
 
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thedoc

  Megane225FF
power increase @ 3000 rpm = 4bhp
power increase @ 4000 rpm = 4bhp
power increase @ 5000 rpm = 4bhp
power increase @ 6000 rpm = 4bhp
total power increase = 16bhp
a few companies sell you the idea of a 16bhp power increase.. but it could be across the rev range... so they're not lying, or are they....
 
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TheJesus

nykola said:
I am serious yes, and this is a proven fact. I'm sorry to say but it seems a lot of you may have been ripped off - if your car is slower with a chip in, you've either been ripped off or it's not the correct software on the chip for your car, which to be fair a lot of retailers dont pay for the sofware upgrades as they are released and simply sell OLD chips. SIMPLE AS! I actually work for a company that sells superchips, so my opinion may be biased, but I have a superchip in my car and have seen more cars chipped and run up the rolling road than you could shake a stick at and I know exactly how they work. A superchip (I cannot speak for any other off the shelf chips) alters your ignition timing, your rev limiter and the fueling. It doesn't just turn them all up, it is a lot more complex than that and the fueling is altered at various RPM levels to give a much more smooth and responsive drive. Get it on another rolling road if your sceptical about the figures, to me it sounds about right.
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do you write the software for them and set them up on the RR I take it? Like thedoc has stated in his post these could be some clever marketing to make it look like 16bhp, when the reality is that it's a mere 4bhp across the rev range.

how about an acid test? would your company be willing to partake in a test to determine "fairly" the actual output the chips make on an independent RR? Obviously I would expect superchips to pay for this research, as I'm not really bothered, I have no intention of buying one (unless it of course amazed me), plus it's good PR showing a willing and faith in your own product.
I'll lend you my car, we RR it before and then fit the chip and RR it again. Superchips would have to be no where near the rollers and have no involvement in input of data and I guarantee you that there wont be a 16bhp increase. If true you'd chip a 182 and it would be over 200bhp with a 10% increase, which as anyone in the know will tell you is a LAD bullshit figure, as you need cams or have one seriously healthy freak engined Clio.
 
theduck

theduck

I dont know of ANY NA car that has achieved 10% increase in power on a standard engine with just a remap, or one with just filter and zorst and a remap. It just doesnt happen.

EDIT: Sorry i forgot, CTR's are known to reach 200bhp at the wheels when fitted with a sepcific combination of filtter exhaust and remap, but from memory these things cost a small fortune each.
 
The Hoff

The Hoff

  SLK 350
Still in most cases won't push out anywhere near 200bhp at wheels though. More like 190bhp with just that, and its expensive stuff - looking at just shy of £2000 for that little lot, Jap tuning seems a lot more expensive indeed!
 
nykola

nykola

  Ph1 172
10% at the fly wheel!!!!, I never said it would take a 182 to over 200 ponies, that was your presumption.................
The company I work for it a DEALER of superchips and to clarify, you puchase bare bone chips form superchips, it is then up to the dealer/retailer to purchase the most up to date software to download onto them, it is constantly changing, and most retailers buy the first and dont upgrade the software. Hense they make more money out of the unsuspecting fool and are not giving them the latest what they paid for. Some companies dont pay for the software at all and map their own.
And as for proving what superchips can do, the company I work for does not need to, superchips are tested and proven to give 10% on normally aspirated cars and 20% on turbos. Get your facts right before making presumtions.....................
 
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