Suspension 172/182 compare

rwaterman · Mar 3, 2005

How does the non cupped suspension in the 182 compare to the 172 mk2?

I am interested in changing the setup on my 182 but dont want major change looks wise and Eibachs pros seem like they would fit the bill nicely........

Thing is i know that people have added these to there 172s and have said how much they have improved the setup, but as i understand things the standard 182 is stiffer and 20mm lower than the 172 mk2 anyway so would I be getting much more of a change?????????.................. Correct me if im wrong though,,,please....

How much better would the 182 ride with the Pros and koni setup over the original config

Cheers

Rob.

Turkish · Mar 3, 2005

konis wont fit due to the way the strut mounts to the hub carrier being different from 172 to 182s the springs will fit on either as they are basically the same. no the 182 is not 20 mm lower than a mk2 172.

Tom · Mar 3, 2005

the non cup 182 is actually the same height.

Liam · Mar 3, 2005

isnt it that the cupped 182 is 20mm lower and stiffer than a standard 172?

Turkish · Mar 3, 2005

that statement isnt true either. there is not a 20mm difference between a mk2 172 and a 182 be it cup packed or not.

Tom · Mar 3, 2005

its 3mm

Lagerlout · Mar 3, 2005

The difference is closer to 3mm iirc..... and if you can spot that with the naked eye, Ill blow your bugle.

[Edited by lagerlout1 on 03 March 2005 at 9:23pm]

Tom.... b*****d!!!

If it wasnt for me typing my witty retort I would have got there first!!

rwaterman · Mar 3, 2005

Loony had no idea about the konis am i limited to choice when it comes to shocks and springs are these thing that are still in the process of being manufactured for the 182?

What other if any then, springs shocks would improve the handiling of the 182?

I done want to spend £££s on getting coilovers,

All im after is improved handling small but noticable drop without to harsher ride, which is my main fear....

rwaterman · Mar 3, 2005

I understood it to be that standard 182 susp was 20mm lower than standard 172......... Not that big a deal anyway!

only mentioned that coz the Eibachs drop is minimal and ive heard stories of in some cases they heighten but if the 20mm thing was true there surely Eibachs on the 182 would look sh*te????

Rob.

blaze · Mar 3, 2005

Standard 172 or 182 has the same suspension setup. The 172cup or 182 with cup suspension option has a drop of 3mm, and again no differences in springs/dampers/track between each other.

The 182 with cup suspension has exactly the same as a 172cup, even down to the larger track. Which, as we all know, is down to larger wheel offset. Sorry forgot to say about the difference in castor angle between 172/182 and 172cup and 182 with cup suspension options.

Why do people keep on going on about this nonsense. See far too many previous posts.

Mark

Tom · Mar 3, 2005

Quote: Originally posted by blaze on 03 March 2005

Standard 172 or 182 has the same suspension setup. The 172cup or 182 with cup suspension option has a drop of 3mm, and again no differences in springs/dampers/track between each other.

Wrong on that one mate its not the same, track is also different.

The 182 with cup suspension has exactly the same as a 172cup, even down to the larger track. Which, as we all know, is down to larger wheel offset. Sorry forgot to say about the difference in castor angle between 172/182 and 172cup and 182 with cup suspension options.

Nothing to do with the wheels on the 182 as they are ET45

The hubs on both cars differ.

Why do people keep on going on about this nonsense. See far too many previous posts.

Mark

Possibly because people dont know the differences and make the same mistake you just did.

blaze · Mar 3, 2005

Sorry forgot the MK1 172 and MK2. The MK2 has a stiffer antiroll bar to stop some of the roll the MK1 was prone to, although having owned one, was not too bad. All other aspects of suspension setup were the same.

Mark

blaze · Mar 3, 2005

Tom, you are wrong, you should actually read the Renault sites of the time, gave the differences, and posts on this topic from the last 2 1/2 years. The track is down to offsets, not diferring suspension parts origionally.

Dont know why I bother if you want to know ask BENR and other people who dont just believe crap posted by pub talkers. This topic is so much a waste of time.

Do you realy believe Renault have now designed three/four different setups for the same car.

Tom · Mar 3, 2005

http://www.renault.com/presse/detail.cfm?langue=2&id=6586&id_rub=205ok. < CLICK HERE ITS A LINK

[awaits apology]

[Edited by Tom on 03 March 2005 at 10:13pm]

rwaterman · Mar 3, 2005

Blaze mate its not nonsense this is a discussion forum and these are the points i wish to discuss whether it has been done before or not....

Tom i thought that was the case I know that there is a difference between the too...........................

All i am trying to establish is whether or not fitting Eibach pros will improve the look/handling of my 182.

Maybe there are better options available (not coilovers)

Subtle drop improved handling and a nice ride is all im after........

Now back to it..........

Rob.

Tom · Mar 3, 2005

Yes they will.

blaze · Mar 3, 2005

Sorry Rob, Dont want to take over.

The standard ride is always a playoff between ride & handling?. One mans nervana is another mans hell. Unless you can drive any RSClio to its limits its meaningless. You would be hard pressed on a road.

Track time is fine. How much of your driving is going to be on track. Even then a half decent driver will run rings round an average driver on the best suspension setup on any RSclio. (not V6)

Mark

Tom · Mar 3, 2005

Anyway.......

Yes they will, ask 172 owners who have made the swap.

(still awaits apology)

Turkish · Mar 3, 2005

invisible press release obviously tom lol

Tom · Mar 3, 2005

Made it easier.

Turkish · Mar 3, 2005

phew, still think its a little subtle. is it a suitable size and colour for users of bi-focals ?

Lee · Mar 3, 2005

Going down in a blaze of glory. *sing with me*

Turkish · Mar 3, 2005

Quote: Originally posted by rwaterman on 03 March 2005
Loony had no idea about the konis am i limited to choice when it comes to shocks and springs are these thing that are still in the process of being manufactured for the 182?What other if any then, springs shocks would improve the handiling of the 182?I done want to spend £££s on getting coilovers,All im after is improved handling small but noticable drop without to harsher ride, which is my main fear....

basically at the moment you have three choices, either buy springs that were suitable for the 172 as these will still fit 182 dampers, order a set of the new gaz coilovers from GDI that will be delivered in the next few weeks or go to someone like leda part with £1500 and let them get on and make you a custom set of coilovers.

dk · Mar 3, 2005

Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 03 March 2005
Going down in a blaze of glory. *sing with me*

LOL, I see what youve done there Lee!

Turkish · Mar 3, 2005

Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 03 March 2005
Going down in a blaze of glory. *sing with me*

Lee bon jovi ? you havnt let that dodgy 80s poodle rock hairstyle grow back have you (hopes Lee isnt currently dancing round his house in a spandex all in one)

Tom · Mar 3, 2005

Maybe i should quote the release?

Not everyone has acrobat..

blaze · Mar 3, 2005

Tom,

I will always admit an error on my part. My comments were not clear

Yes the 172/172cup had a 3mm diff. in height, track was down to the offsets/castror angle.

The 182 & 182 cup has the differing hubs and even wheel base compared to 172. The differences are basically the same between the two 172/182 either way. The company has only two basic setups eitherway, not that Im another numpty at making things clear

Mark

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rwaterman · Mar 3, 2005

I certainly wont be spending 1500 squiblys on custom made stuff Loony

As for coilovers i just dont think i would get to use them to there fullist i mean im probably not ever gonna tear it up round the track, so springs/ shocks would suit me better for just road driving and financally.........

Cheers

Rob.

Tom · Mar 3, 2005

5 Differing setups, the latter two do not share common parts like the first three do. But they are all Different setups none the less.

Mk1 172

Mk2 172

Mk2 172 Cup

182

182 Cup Suspension

Turkish · Mar 3, 2005

Quote: Originally posted by rwaterman on 03 March 2005I certainly wont be spending 1500 squiblys on custom made stuff LoonyAs for coilovers i just dont think i would get to use them to there fullist i mean im probably not ever gonna tear it up round the track, so springs/ shocks would suit me better for just road driving and financally......... CheersRob.

my 172 never got tracked but i fitted coilovers and definately noticed a massive improvement in the car even for road use. if you can justify/spare it they really are worth it. (the GDI gaz option beleive me i dont have 1500 spare) if not then the eibachs will be the best option open to you currently.

jon_r · Mar 3, 2005

Quote: Originally posted by dave182 on 03 March 2005

Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 03 March 2005

Going down in a blaze of glory. *sing with me*

Click to expand...

LOL, I see what youve done there Lee!

lol.

Nice thread btw.

Fred@BTM · Mar 4, 2005

Its the same sh*te car whateva guise its in!!!!

BODY ROLL!!!!

EVOgone · Mar 4, 2005

182 also has a thicker rear anti roll bar. Dont know if it can be put on the 172 but apparently this is what contributes to the improved handling on the 182.

Phill1978 · Mar 4, 2005

Quote: Originally posted by Fred2001Dynamic on 04 March 2005

Its the same sh*te car whateva guise its in!!!!

BODY ROLL!!!!

eh ? the 172/182/182cup/cup ?? which one. hang on dont you have a 1.6

Tom · Mar 4, 2005

Quote: Originally posted by Fred2001Dynamic on 04 March 2005

Its the same sh*te car whateva guise its in!!!!

BODY ROLL!!!!

Shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapppp

rmccardal · Mar 4, 2005

Quote: Originally posted by Fred2001Dynamic on 04 March 2005

Its the same sh*te car whateva guise its in!!!!

BODY ROLL!!!!

"yo momma got body roll"

rwaterman · Mar 4, 2005

Describe in as much detail the pros of having coilovers on your motor.

I know they can be adjusted for height and ride comfort but is there anything else that i dont no of?

With the clio i know that when you have the tracking done you can adjust the front Camber, castor and toe but with the rear of the car you cant.

Now with fitting coilovers does this give you the option to adjust those measurements?

Or is something else needed to do that?

If you lower it to much wont it just push the back end measurements right out (if there non adjustable) causing problems with steering etc??.........

Rob.

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