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THE 1.8RT
- Thread starter Dansta
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STICKER TWONK
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Golf GTi DSG
RSI was supposed to be renos answer to rising insurance costs...
Didnt seem to work did it!
RSi is 110 bhp, RT is 95bhp, rsi would kill an RT. also a mk2 vtr is a good match for the RSi, a RT wouldnt be able to match a VTR im afraid
yeah but trust me, vtr faster than RT. the mk2 vtr is far superior altho it still a sh*tmobile
1.8 RT is basically the more popular 1.4 RT with a bigger engine, but only a basic 1.8 nothing special and underpowered compared to the 1.8 8v in the RSi. RSi had the looks to be a sporty Clio but not the poke really, although at the time it was a warm hatch, roughly equivalent to a Baccara or something, you either went for luxury or sportiness (Baccara or RSi). The 1.8 16v was the hot hatch of the line-up and in a totally different league from the RSi. It was the only Clio at the time that was raced in any form, and later on spawned the 2.0 version that was homologated as the Williams with a few other slight variations, mainly in the suspension.
So whats the actual difference between the RT and Rsi mechanically, just 15 bhp, it wouldnt be hard to get a RT to the same power, full exhaust system, induction kit and chip. would get you roughly on the 110bhp mark. Just im gettin an 1.8 RT soon and just wondered how i could equal the spec of rsi performance wise.
Buy an RSI ???
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The RSi also has electric everything, 16v interiour. side skirts, different suspension, shorter gear box, 16v spoilers, nicer alloys and is great!
Not that Im bias
Tom
+ the RSI has LOADS of tourque (thats coming from an ex oil burner driver!) but doesnt have the top end of the valver (about 4000 - 4500 when the valver starts to really go for it, the RSI lacks)
Hope that helps
Tom
+ The RSI is insurance group 11 and the valver 12 - 14. It doesnt sound like a lot but my insurance quotes were £600 fully comp on the RSI and £1500 on the valver!!!
The 1.8 RT uses the F3P engine. It develops 95bhp @ 5750rpm and 105lb/ft of torque at 2750rpm. There are 1783cc and 1794cc versions of the engine, but the power is the same (most are 1783cc). The RSi has 110bhp from the same F3P and uses the same compression ratio, so I dont know where the extra 15bhp comes from!
The 1.8 RT was not the top of the range - it was just a larger engined option for those wanting the RT spec and only came in 5-door (you could also get the 1.9 diesel in RT spec at one point). It was only available in Phase1 and was discontinued in 1994.
The Baccara (mainly for the Paris market) used the same engine with a four-speed auto box, though this was the luxury car of the range (which also did continue into Phase2). The Bacarra also had side skirts, leather trim (not the same as the 16v leather), alloys, electrics, some wood and a carry case under the parcel shelf.
The reason the RSi is so much faster is not because of the 15bhp, its because the Baccara is an auto. In the same regard, the 1.4 RT is a hell of a lot faster than the 3-speed auto 1.4 RT. And the RSi doesnt develop any more torque than the 16v at any revs - its just the 16v peaks with its extra 11-16lb/ft some 2000rpm later.
The 16v was developed by Renaultsport in much the same way as the 172 is today. Unlike the 172, the 16v was the homologation car for the 16vs Group A rally antics. Later, when they upped the capacity of the Clio to 2.0 in Group A, Renault homologated the car as the Williams (again developed by Renaultsport; it was called the Williams to celebrate the F1 success at the time). I dont think the 16v and Willy were built in separate factories, but the only common assembly with the rest of the range was the actual chassis, since most of the panels/suspension etc are very different.
Probably the most bespoke model would be the Bacarra with ABS option. The basic Clio chassis would be made, then Bacarra bits added, topped off by the four-bar torsion bar system with the rear discs from the 16v/Willy that had to be there with the ABS option. Must have taken weeks to make just one!!
"The reason the RSi is so much faster is not because of the 15bhp, its because the Baccara is an auto" Were not talkin about the bacarra mate
were talkin abut the RT which is manual. i would get a rsi but i am refused insurance until im 19, im only 18, i can easily tune the rt to 110bhp, but seems no one knows where the extra 15bhp on the rsi comes from!, basically i just want to know if i was to tune the rt to 110-120bhp, 110bhp being the same as that of the rsi would i match the rsi for performance or would a new bix be needed to help? cheers guys for your help and input so farI wasnt suggesting the RSI developed more torque than the 16v - just saying it has loads for a petrol car! - so there
I found out why the RSi has another 15bhp: its multi-point fuel injection as opposed to single-point on the RT/Bacarra F3P.
So there would be no magic mod for the 95bhp to get it up to the 110bhp of the RSi, I think swapping the injection system might be difficult. Having said that, you could drop the RSi lump straight in. But then whats the point if that costs say £500+ and insuring/buying an RSi would surely cost less than that.
Not that Ive got it in for 5-door cars, but most people prefer the 3-door and the 1.8 RT only comes as the 5-door. And the cheap mods like a filter, zorst and chip will only take you so far - certainly not to RSi power.
Surely you can get 15bhp from those 3 mods, full exhaust system 2bhp, filter 2-3bhp and chip 8-10bhp. which is pretty much 15bhp. But i am doing other mods to the car like porting the head, new manifolds etc. Im aiming to get it from 95bhp up to 110bhp+ giving it rsi performance, i just want a 9second or less 0-60 n ill be well happy.With such a decent sized engine its definately got modding potential.
Decent sized but old, very old
Sure, its got potential. But just ask anyone with a chip, induction and exhaust to show proof of a 16% increase (15bhp in this case) in power on a non-turbo car!! The most youll really get is about 5bhp, especially as a single-point injection will not respond that well to a chip. People always talk about mods as if their power increases add up cumulatively, but they never do. I mean if you add an Ecotek, fancy spark plugs, Optimax, a Max Power sticker and a device that cuts off the alternator at high speeds, surely the beast would make 140bhp!! Besides, have you ever heard of anyone who does tuning parts for this rare car?!
Of course, porting and new manifolds are going to give you better power/torque - but at what price? With the greatest of respect for creating a unique car, surely buying and insuring an RSi would be cheaper? - and would be a better starting point for mods.
Damn looks like ill just have to hope for the best with the car, least it will shift better than my current car of 0-60 in 14.5 secs, as i said i would go for rsi but i cant until im 19. Im confident i can get the power to that of an rsi though, 15bhp isnt that hard to do. One question seeing as the engine of the RT and rsi are the same part from multi point injection, if i was to gain 15bhp on the rt would the performance match that of the rsi pertty much, or would i need to change the gear box to get matching performance.thanks again everyone
