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The 'I work in I.T' thread



botfch

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 182
I was a grad once, I want to say I wasn’t useless. But finding a non useless grad is impossible. I did a year in industry before going to uni and then worked there every summer at uni so I had some form of working experience.

@botfch how did the placement student expect to make the tea and coffee with AI?

I don't think any of them drink tea or coffee on the dev team in all honesty.

I struggle to get on with them a lot of the time, there all in there 20s but they treat you like a parent and it's like dealing with teenagers.
I've made two of them cry, first one because he wouldn't answer the phone, the second because I caught him out in a lie.
Another started crying because he didn't have the pin for the amazon guy and so he wouldn't hand over a switch 2.
Another got scammed out of £800 in gift cards.

Bit of old man shouts at cloud but as adults they are pretty hopeless.
 

KitsonRis

ClioSport Club Member
I don't think any of them drink tea or coffee on the dev team in all honesty.

I struggle to get on with them a lot of the time, there all in there 20s but they treat you like a parent and it's like dealing with teenagers.
I've made two of them cry, first one because he wouldn't answer the phone, the second because I caught him out in a lie.
Another started crying because he didn't have the pin for the amazon guy and so he wouldn't hand over a switch 2.
Another got scammed out of £800 in gift cards.

Bit of old man shouts at cloud but as adults they are pretty hopeless.
What’s the point in having a student if they won’t make tea or coffee for you?! It’s basically slave labour….
They sound like a fun bunch of people that have been shielded from life. I think I may have lost my job if I had to work with them.
 

charltjr

ClioSport Club Member
What’s the point in having a student if they won’t make tea or coffee for you?! It’s basically slave labour….
They sound like a fun bunch of people that have been shielded from life. I think I may have lost my job if I had to work with them.

I think it’s a lot of things to be honest, the rise of the helicopter parent, everybody knowing their rights but don’t understand that responsibilities come alongside those rights, the Covid generation, people outsourcing their ability to think to Google and now AI, and just a general culture of “Oh diddums, is that difficult for you? Don’t worry about it then. You’ve probably got special needs”

i’ve always grafted, always. When I wanted more pocket money, my parents suggested I get a job instead, so I ended up working in a greengrocers from the age of 14. I don’t come from a well off background by any means, but I’m very lucky in that I was born with a techie brain and I have a good work ethic so it suited me very well to the way the world was going.
 

KitsonRis

ClioSport Club Member
This is now a red flag for me when interviewing people

That fat heathen I was talking about in my previous post doesn't drink anything unless it's fizzy
The woman I work with is on her second can of Monster before lunch. We always have sweets in the office too, like the big cash and carry size tubs. We also hide them in our room as not everyone is allowed in there. Watching their faces as we go back to the other room with hand fulls of nice sweets and snacks and they are like “where are ours?!” It’s in the room where people do actual work.
 

The Psychedelic Socialist

ClioSport Club Member
Once upon a time a uni degree was worth something. These days (as it stands) they’re not. 99% of them.

Taught out of books that are 20 years out of date, by lecturers that if they were that good they’d be earning 100’s of K doing it themselves.

The whole uni thing has been devalued, people just want experience now. And reading out of a book doesn’t give you that. You’d be better of starting on the service desk and getting paid and learning.

All it appears to give the current crop is a tonne of debt and a misplaced sense of entitlement. They still start at the bottom anyway. Just with a shed load of debt around their ears and a few sexually transmitted diseases/liver damage.
Back in my day (eee), for a lot of careers, uni was more about demonstrating to employers that you could knuckle down for three years and absorb a s**t-ton of information. The actual information you were absorbing was somewhat irrelevant beyond whether it was vaguely STEM-ey, vaguely literary, or vaguely arty (obvious exceptions for engineers, doctors and vets). Having demonstrated those skills, employers were then prepared to take a punt on you and teach you how to do the actual job.

e.g. in my cohort typical routes were things like a maths degree (often pure) and heading into the city (with virtually zero overlap in learned material), or doing English lit before heading off down the law conversion / bar exam route.

Part of the problem nowadays is that there are ever more technical entry level roles (so the information learned at uni has to have some relevance), and the entry requirements for those courses are significantly lower (so three years and a degree doesn't prove as much about your learning skills as it used to).

Which is a shame, as I'd always like the idea of uni being a place where you could pursue an academic interest for three years without it having to be 100% career focused.
 

Donny_Dog

ClioSport Club Member
  Jim's rejects
Last apprentice I had, came back from lunch saying that our microwave was faulty.
He had to eat his beans cold.

Put the entire unopened can in there.
Absolute wetters. Never again.
 

KitsonRis

ClioSport Club Member
Back in my day (eee), for a lot of careers, uni was more about demonstrating to employers that you could knuckle down for three years and absorb a s**t-ton of information. The actual information you were absorbing was somewhat irrelevant beyond whether it was vaguely STEM-ey, vaguely literary, or vaguely arty (obvious exceptions for engineers, doctors and vets). Having demonstrated those skills, employers were then prepared to take a punt on you and teach you how to do the actual job.

e.g. in my cohort typical routes were things like a maths degree (often pure) and heading into the city (with virtually zero overlap in learned material), or doing English lit before heading off down the law conversion / bar exam route.

Part of the problem nowadays is that there are ever more technical entry level roles (so the information learned at uni has to have some relevance), and the entry requirements for those courses are significantly lower (so three years and a degree doesn't prove as much about your learning skills as it used to).

Which is a shame, as I'd always like the idea of uni being a place where you could pursue an academic interest for three years without it having to be 100% career focused.
Exactly this. I studied physics at uni, then nuclear physics as a masters (I was told to be a real person and get a job and not do a PhD by my mum) but I haven’t done any physics for a long time, probably since 2016 when I left my fist job which was as a scientist. I used to be able to know some proper complex maths to answer some bat s**t crazy physics but can I remember it now…no. I now do software dev which I had to do some form of it in the past but never had formal training. Just showed I can learn on the job to get it done. My first job the research wasn’t really taught anywhere (I was one of 8 people in the country doing what we did) so it was a very steep learning curve but somehow managed it.

Plus new grads want everything for free given to them on a plate and won’t put effort in. The word entitled comes to mind.
 

Oggy997

ClioSport Club Member
  997.1, Caddy, e208
I barely scraped gcse's but have always had a bit about me with computers, went into warehousing/management but was always trying to get the most out of the systems, which led me to learning sql, on top of the vba, pascal and other pointless s**t I learned for fun.

It led me to getting fairly decent jobs as a dev/analyst with absolutely no academic qualifications, because businesses preferred someone that's lived and breathed a s**t operation with s**t data, than someone wet behind the ears, no life experience and likes a cold tin of beans.
 

charltjr

ClioSport Club Member
Some of the best people I’ve ever worked with had no degrees. We always say degree or relevant experience in industry.

As others said, really all you used to be able to say about a degree was that it showed you were somebody who could knuckle down for three years and come out of it with a piece of paper at the end.

These days with AI et cetera being so prevalent I feel like it’s really getting devalued.

We always keep an open mind about qualifications. We have an absolute superstar in our team at the moment who had next to 0 technical background but really impressed us with his diagnostic skills.

He’s absolutely brilliant, takes anything on, learns fast, has gone from very limited technical knowledge to being an absolutely key member of the team in no time at all.
 

SharkyUK

ClioSport Club Member
My client is really struggling to get decent software engineers / developers. No idea what they are being taught these days, or learning in their own time. I often get asked to put assessment tests together, or to help out with interviews... well. I don't even know where to start. Especially when they come in with little to no experience, are expecting 70k+ salaries, and highlight vibe-coding as a skill. :rolleyes:
 

Krarl

ClioSport Club Member
I find it's always better to have someone that is keen to learn, rather than just someone that thinks they know everything or has X qualifications

I hate know it alls, and working in IT you get a lot of them. All autistic c***s that have never had their teeth removed by another mans hand and have no social knack
 

Oggy997

ClioSport Club Member
  997.1, Caddy, e208
Ultimately that's how I've managed to carve decent 'careers' in two different disciplines by 37, as I love to learn new things and I'm not a f**king idiot.

Plus, I don't neglect the balls.
 


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