throttle bodies + omex 600 ecu

[172Ben]

yeh get me some pics as its something ill be investing in, in the near future

 

[foxon]

yeah here's one on it panning my mates Scooby

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7eHiMhZpYrA

Will have to dig some pics out when I get home.

K-Tec's ITB conversion looked fantastic! It was a work of art!

I don't doubt that the GDI kit is good, but it looks so messy.

What are the reasons for this? Is the K-Tec kit a Jenvey?

What exactly was messy? You're referring to the black demo car that taken apart regularly to try different parts (that way YOU dont end up being the guinea pig).

Ask K-tec who did their loom to make it look so nice too I realise your of the "anti GDI no matter what" fanclub, but with all due respect you dont actually know the first thing about ITB's or modding cars full stop. Looking pretty doesn't help you go faster, but if you think a customer car would go out like a 'demo' car (demo being the key word here) then your more foolish than you look. Fastest car at FCS was FMP's 172, 5 seconds a lap FASTER than the touring car fyi

bonjour dude, u ok 2day? what about if ya car looks pretty and as well as ITB`s lmfao.

 

[foxon]

here`s mine from yesterday, http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=336817

 

[TheJesus]

eye up dude, yeah good, little bit on the burnt side though! phoned the insurance company to sort my windscreen out, going to get a carbon bonnet and pay for the repairs myself though, cheaper than paying excess tbh!

 

[Christopher]

yeah here's one on it panning my mates Scooby

K-Tec's ITB conversion looked fantastic! It was a work of art!

I don't doubt that the GDI kit is good, but it looks so messy.

What are the reasons for this? Is the K-Tec kit a Jenvey?

What exactly was messy? You're referring to the black demo car that taken apart regularly to try different parts (that way YOU dont end up being the guinea pig).

Ask K-tec who did their loom to make it look so nice too I realise your of the "anti GDI no matter what" fanclub, but with all due respect you dont actually know the first thing about ITB's or modding cars full stop. Looking pretty doesn't help you go faster, but if you think a customer car would go out like a 'demo' car (demo being the key word here) then your more foolish than you look. Fastest car at FCS was FMP's 172, 5 seconds a lap FASTER than the touring car fyi

Whoa, easy dude. I wasn't having a dig or a go at all! :dapprove:

I never claimed to know about ITB's, hence my polite questions in my previous post. I'm looking for answers because of my lack of knowledge.

I'm not "Anti-GDI no matter what" either. I even said that it was a good kit in my previous post too! I'm well aware that it's a sh*t hot kit, power wise.

All the GDI ITB cars at the show seemed to have messier looms, taped and exposed wires, exposed and loose sensors etc. Whereas the K-Tec car was really neat and tidy. I just wanted to know why. And also is the K-Tec kit any worse-off for it's neatness?

Not a dig at all, i just wanted to know the differences in kits. No more. No less.

 

[PYE21]

I have to agree about the GDI cars, all looked rather poorly finished, i certaintly wouldn't be happy having a car without slam panel, or with the finish of the wiring etc on all the cars.

 

[mattjk]

Lol @ Johns comments, Grow up!!!

 

[Christopher]

Yeah, that's all i'm saying and that's my only gripe. The hardware is spot on... just the finishing is lacking a little IMO.

If i'd just spent £4k on a kit, i'd feel a little bit better if it looked like the K-Tec when they popped the bonnet, that's all.

 

[TheJesus]

put a reply but its not showed... so cba

Christopher - just to say you are so full of s**t your breath smells. You only come on technical threads to big your mates efforts up and the fact you were too much of a pussy to come and ask in person sums you up perfectly. Oh, tech question for you genuis, where would YOU put an air temp sensor? In the glove box?

 

[fmp_]

2 of the 4 cars on the GDI stand were development/work in progress cars.

The black 182 is the GDI test car, which has only recently had bodies put on, and my car which is in and out all the time for extra work, fine tuning etc between track days and Time attack rounds.

If you wanted to see the finished article then it was worth looking at the spider. there was no bare wires on show, it was all shrink wrapped up and tidy.

Once my is the finished article then it will look just as good. But whilst we are developing it etc, there is no point. Full throttle gear change is being setup on it shortly, so would of been a waste to have to strip back all wires etc if it was all looking 110%.

Plus at this point in time, its function over form, and for some of us, thats more important.

 

[mini-valver]

HAve to agree. The K-tec car looked brilliant, shorter trumpets (whioch may lose you 3-5hp but look so much tidier on what would be a road car after all), the wiring was tidy and hidden, a proper catch tank, the air sensor wasnt cable tied to the trumpets etc.

Anyone on CS that would have ITB's will be using it as an everyday road car and as such, it should look tidy and pretty aswell as do the job it is supposed to do, make power.
I'm not having digs etc at anyone here, just my views before theres a massive arguement.....

 

[Christopher]

Fair point, but there's some of us who do want the looks too. And yeah, the Spider looked fantastic!

 

[mini-valver]

Id of made a bracket and bolted it to the head with an inlet manifold bolt. Doesnt take a genius to work that out!

 

[TheJesus]

Fair point, but there's some of us who do want the looks too. And yeah, the Spider looked fantastic!

that's great... if your getting ITB's.. which I'd serious doubt you are as the only thing you spend money on is cleaning and hair products. These are a bit too 'hairy chested' for you sunshine.

Again, you could have just come over and asked why wires were exposed on the demo and race cars which are still incomplete yet were the quickest cars there... but you'd rather sit behind your keyboard and do it. Why didn't you pop over and ask then?

 

[Christopher]

put a reply but its not showed... so cba

Christopher - just to say you are so full of s**t your breath smells. You only come on technical threads to big your mates efforts up and the fact you were too much of a pussy to come and ask in person sums you up perfectly. Oh, tech question for you genuis, where would YOU put an air temp sensor? In the glove box?

Christ. I only asked a few questions.

I really wasn't being funny about anything.

I'll stay out of here in the future, what a friendly place!

 

[mini-valver]

Jon, were you even there? Spoke to Laura briefly when Baggers' car had a fit.

Why should anyone ask anything? It's a show, you just look, poke and move on. Observations and comments are made and you go on the defensive and start to argue. Mint way of conductiong yourself, nice one.

 

[Guppy]

Fair point, but there's some of us who do want the looks too. And yeah, the Spider looked fantastic!

that's great... if your getting ITB's.. which I'd serious doubt you are as the only thing you spend money on is cleaning and hair products. These are a bit too 'hairy chested' for you sunshine.

Again, you could have just come over and asked why wires were exposed on the demo and race cars which are still incomplete yet were the quickest cars there... but you'd rather sit behind your keyboard and do it. Why didn't you pop over and ask then?

is all this a wind up?

 

[Christopher]

I know!

What have i said or done, Jon? :S

I pointed out a few things, stayed completely impartial and replied without any sarcasm or undertones.

I genuinely wanted advice from someone exactly like you, who has great experience with ITB setups. Now, i wish i'd not asked.

 

[Owen]

Jon, unless chris pissed on your chips at FCS, your comments seem very harsh.
From an entirely unbiased perspective, I dont think his questions warranted such aggresive responses.

 

[Christopher]

For the record, no chips were pissed on.

 

[TheJesus]

lol, yeah, you met me, you were the shy lad looking at Paul's car. Laura told me who you were after.

If the wiring is deemed untidy on a race car and a demo car why not ask there and ask the people that did it instead of doing it on the forum making an issue out of it? The Spyder was the only full road going car there, the rest were race and track cars and not even finished, yet still managed to be FAR quicker than anything else there round the track.

Christopher - giving you the benefit of doubt (no matter how foolish) I'd say go to BenR and get the works. You dont need the best person for the job, just go to whoever talks the best game and gives the best sales pitch. I'd honestly now rather see people go f**k their cars and finances up, as lets face it, without blowing my own trumpet, had some people listened to me in the first place they would have fully working cars making genuine non bullshit power figures. They wouldn't have to wait 1-2 year for absolute and total mediocrity.

Anyone who wants the best for their car wont give 2 s***s about my attitude, take your cars to AWT, I reallly dont care if he f***s it up anymore. You lot have not and never will listen to reason, you will go with who the clique or your bum chums tell you to. End of the day my car still runs mother f*****s. Guess what else? I makes more power... fancy that?

 

[Owen]

For the record, no chips were pissed on.

Glad to hear it - always preferred salt and vinegar myself

 

[Christopher]

Which one was Paul's? Who were you? Sorry lol

I'm not making an issue on here at all fella, you've got me all wrong. I started a thread about the K-Tec kit and then asked in this thread about the differences, and why the K-Tec looked tidier. That's it.

 

[Guppy]

lol, yeah, you met me, you were the shy lad looking at Paul's car. Laura told me who you were after.

If the wiring is deemed untidy on a race car and a demo car why not ask there and ask the people that did it instead of doing it on the forum making an issue out of it? The Spyder was the only full road going car there, the rest were race and track cars and not even finished, yet still managed to be FAR quicker than anything else there round the track.

Christopher - giving you the benefit of doubt (no matter how foolish) I'd say go to BenR and get the works. You dont need the best person for the job, just go to whoever talks the best game and gives the best sales pitch. I'd honestly now rather see people go f**k their cars and finances up, as lets face it, without blowing my own trumpet, had some people listened to me in the first place they would have fully working cars making genuine non bulls**t power figures. They wouldn't have to wait 1-2 year for absolute and total mediocrity.

Anyone who wants the best for their car wont give 2 s**ts about my attitude, take your cars to AWT, I reallly dont care if he f**ks it up anymore. You lot have not and never will listen to reason, you will go with who the clique or your bum chums tell you to. End of the day my car still runs mother f**kers. Guess what else? I makes more power... fancy that?

so GDI is the best place for TB fitment?

 

[Owen]

Guppy - I think CS is the wrong place to get an unbiased answer! lol

 

[mattjk]

John you make yourself look like such an idiot its laughable!!

 

[doh123]

John you make yourself look like such an idiot its laughable!!

I was thinking au contraire actually. His insight on a certain ethnic gentleman are particularly accurate.

 

[homer simpson]

What exactly was messy? You're referring to the black demo car that taken apart regularly to try different parts (that way YOU dont end up being the guinea pig).

Ask K-tec who did their loom to make it look so nice too I realise your of the "anti GDI no matter what" fanclub, but with all due respect you dont actually know the first thing about ITB's or modding cars full stop. Looking pretty doesn't help you go faster, but if you think a customer car would go out like a 'demo' car (demo being the key word here) then your more foolish than you look. Fastest car at FCS was FMP's 172, 5 seconds a lap FASTER than the touring car fyi[/quote]

john dont take this the wrong way but where was you getting you times from ? :S :S


i timed fmp and Simon that was driving the yoz's cup fmp was 0.2 secs a lap slower than Simon in yoz's cup which was 60 bhp down on fmp and may i just say was running a completely standard engine which was installed on saturday by Fred and yoz's m8 with help from yoz, Neal and i helped where i could i am not a mechanic the engine was 5 years old and had not Been run for three years :S

 

[homer simpson]

lol, yeah, you met me, you were the shy lad looking at Paul's car. Laura told me who you were after.

If the wiring is deemed untidy on a race car and a demo car why not ask there and ask the people that did it instead of doing it on the forum making an issue out of it? The Spyder was the only full road going car there, the rest were race and track cars and not even finished, yet still managed to be FAR quicker than anything else there round the track.

Christopher - giving you the benefit of doubt (no matter how foolish) I'd say go to BenR and get the works. You dont need the best person for the job, just go to whoever talks the best game and gives the best sales pitch. I'd honestly now rather see people go f**k their cars and finances up, as lets face it, without blowing my own trumpet, had some people listened to me in the first place they would have fully working cars making genuine non bulls**t power figures. They wouldn't have to wait 1-2 year for absolute and total mediocrity.

Anyone who wants the best for their car wont give 2 s**ts about my attitude, take your cars to AWT, I reallly dont care if he f**ks it up anymore. You lot have not and never will listen to reason, you will go with who the clique or your bum chums tell you to. End of the day my car still runs mother f**kers. Guess what else? I makes more power... fancy that?

so GDI is the best place for TB fitment?

gdi do fit a lot of itb's but any mechanic that is worth there salt can fit them and do a good job it is when you need to get the ecu maped is the tricky bit as you need a decent place to map them .

 

[fmp_]

so GDI is the best place for TB fitment?

gdi do fit a lot of itb's but any mechanic that is worth there salt can fit them and do a good job it is when you need to get the ecu maped is the tricky bit as you need a decent place to map them .

indeed, anyone can bolt them on. but its machining the head to manifold etc, all the little bits.

And your right about mapping, that can make or break a setup. Luckily Andy and Richard (as in founder and owner of Omex) know just a little about mapping.

As for FCS track time, i can only go on what others tell me, i wasnt there to prove anything, just have fun. Which i did.

 

[Owen:s]

so your saying! go to yoz,, thats wot im doing any way no matter wot any 1 thinks

 

[fmp_]

so your saying! go to yoz,, thats wot im doing any way no matter wot any 1 thinks

hero!

for t/b's?

let us see the end results.

 

[Owen:s]

yea car was fitted itb,s (elsewhere!!!!) iv bought car off the lad who had it done, and im taking it to bits and re doing it, spoke to yoz yesterday and sorting it out with him soon

 

[homer simpson]

What exactly was messy? You're referring to the black demo car that taken apart regularly to try different parts (that way YOU dont end up being the guinea pig).

Ask K-tec who did their loom to make it look so nice too I realise your of the "anti GDI no matter what" fanclub, but with all due respect you dont actually know the first thing about ITB's or modding cars full stop. Looking pretty doesn't help you go faster, but if you think a customer car would go out like a 'demo' car (demo being the key word here) then your more foolish than you look. Fastest car at FCS was FMP's 172, 5 seconds a lap FASTER than the touring car fyi

john dont take this the wrong way but where was you getting you times from ? :S :S


i timed fmp and Simon that was driving the yoz's cup fmp was 0.2 secs a lap slower than Simon in yoz's cup which was 60 bhp down on fmp and may i just say was running a completely standard engine which was installed on saturday by Fred and yoz's m8 with help from yoz, Neal and i helped where i could i am not a mechanic the engine was 5 years old and had not Been run for three years :S[/quote]

sorry simon was 0.2 seconds slower

 

[Gaz_]

lol!!! i've noted my comments have been deleted off the k4m thread. Not sure why as they were accurate observations, not fiction or made up.........

 

[sideways danny]

K-Tec's ITB conversion looked fantastic! It was a work of art!

I don't doubt that the GDI kit is good, but it looks so messy.

What are the reasons for this? Is the K-Tec kit a Jenvey?

Lets make this a little more to the point. None of the cars on the stand actually had the full kit fitted, so you wern't actually looking at the full kit.

The demo car is still using the loom it's had for ages that's had a lot of things changed over time, but will be having a different loom again to the kit as it's going a stage furthur (the whole point of the car being to push it and do different things) Unfortunately we had to open up the loom late in the day when the renault crank sensor died (prime example of why we use a different sensor in the kit) and we didn't have the plug and play loom for the new sensor so had to splice it about to get to the MOT next morning (still didn't have a bonnet at this point FYI) Unfortunate lack of time meant we didn't get to just smooth the edges

Ultimately the black car is a continuous work in progress, there will be no standard engine loom or ECU there at all quite soon so it will be ultra stealth.

The race car (FMP_) is as Mat has said, also a work in progress which will be having plenty more done between races and events.

 

[Neal 182]

put a reply but its not showed... so cba

Christopher - just to say you are so full of s**t your breath smells. You only come on technical threads to big your mates efforts up and the fact you were too much of a pussy to come and ask in person sums you up perfectly. Oh, tech question for you genuis, where would YOU put an air temp sensor? In the glove box?

Your the only one full of SH1T get a live for fcuk sack

 

[ditz]

i just thought they were two different cars tbh..

ktecs was a work of engineering art.. the whole car pas p**n really something thats too nice to drive.

gdi's just looked like it was built to do the buisness.. and it did go some on track

appreciate both for what they are... think of it as a bit like someone like middo's concourse 172 and the not normal tt clio

 

[Neal 182]

lol, yeah, you met me, you were the shy lad looking at Paul's car. Laura told me who you were after.

If the wiring is deemed untidy on a race car and a demo car why not ask there and ask the people that did it instead of doing it on the forum making an issue out of it? The Spyder was the only full road going car there, the rest were race and track cars and not even finished, yet still managed to be FAR quicker than anything else there round the track.

Christopher - giving you the benefit of doubt (no matter how foolish) I'd say go to BenR and get the works. You dont need the best person for the job, just go to whoever talks the best game and gives the best sales pitch. I'd honestly now rather see people go f**k their cars and finances up, as lets face it, without blowing my own trumpet, had some people listened to me in the first place they would have fully working cars making genuine non bulls**t power figures. They wouldn't have to wait 1-2 year for absolute and total mediocrity.

Anyone who wants the best for their car wont give 2 s**ts about my attitude, take your cars to AWT, I reallly dont care if he f**ks it up anymore. You lot have not and never will listen to reason, you will go with who the clique or your bum chums tell you to. End of the day my car still runs mother f**kers. Guess what else? I makes more power... fancy that?

so GDI is the best place for TB fitment?

IS it Fcuk all you had to do was look in the pit lane yes a GDI car being pushed back to the back of there Garage LOL and then they was last year when the Wheel was so close to coming off on track Good work lads if that makes them the best place then give them a Ring but looking at the work on show I would be heading to K-tec or Yozzasport myself

 

[andy-cup]

wot have i started here..... oh dear cum on ppl its a forum lets just get on plz