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Tiff Needell..What does he know
- Thread starter Nick nets
- Start date
Astra VXR 17/05/07
I thought she looked like shes been on the pies myself.
I still cream my pants at the sight of her though
Embarrassed to say
F*ck it, ill have an evo 10 by november will piss on all hondas - 2.5 litre mivec turbo, sayc on front and rear with new x mode for twisty roads, 360bhp standard, 1280kgs, alcons standard.
Suzuki SV650
Quote: Originally posted by BenR on 09 May 2005
listen to you all.
Tiff is more than likely a massive leap in driving skill compared to anyone on here. I should know, he raced for my father at TOMs in macau.......he had some horrible machinery but did well.
Id be more worried about the dribble that clarkson and his moron mates trail all over the place about cars....now there is a useless bunch....
my mum was born in macau, lets hope this post kills this thread........
The lap time i was not really that surprised @ as they was so close. but the clio really did understeer on the last bend and the honda just griped??. didnt notice if track was damp or wet or dry so couldnt expalin that. also he was going on about the ctrs steering and how good it was over any other hot hatch. i thought the most commen complaint was the lack of steering feel? even my mate who has type r got in my 182 and said how much better the steering was. really does make ya wonder if money ever parts parms. i bought the 182 because of the great reveiws and bargain price. one min its the greatist hot hatch ever next its second lol
o well whens the next 182vs..... on ?
lol...i cant believe you people take top gear so seriously
...its a great show, i personaly love it, but - its just a show, primaraly designed to entertain the masses...besides...0.2 secs...as an ex-race driver tiff should know best off all how little it takes to loose 2 seconds on a track, let alone 0.2s...
to be reallistic, both the civic and the RS are great cars, but i think that a stock civic has a (obviously a very) slight advantage over a stock clio...but a few minor mods on clio, or a slightly better driver behind the wheel and that difference is soon gone...
b*ll*cks to it all.
I cant believe that crappy programme has generated over 4 pages of replies on a thread complaining about it. And no Im not going to waste my morning reading all of it!
Bloody hell theyre both good hot hatches and Id quite like a bread van if it didnt cost so much more than a Clio. 0.2s is nothing. I dont believe what Tiff said about the steering on the CTR though
(going on what the majority of reviews have said)...
Clio 197
CTR was a FRACTION quicker than the 182:
You need the ability to squeeze every last bit out of it, therefore your typical hot hatch owner (me included) wont find a huge difference.
Reality:
Different cars to suit different tastes, with similar performance.
Ziel Nurburgring
Im not going to sit and read through 4 pages of complaints that the 182 was beaten by 2 tenths of a second, but i think Oms has summed it up.
The only thing he has missed out it that Honda charge you £2000 per tenth of a second, which id be pretty pissed off with if i had to pay it. Why not be happy it lost by a rizla to a car thats meant to be so much quicker and in a class above.
MKIII 138
ok.. my two cents.
the last corner he nearly stacked it i the clio ??? why ??? you could actually see the clio have straighten up then to wait until it hit the vvt again if you took that corner better the clio would have been 1/2 sec faster for sure.
also was it the 182cup with recaros ? or a full fat 182 with cup suspension.
so lests say that the last corner was taken properly. and that he was driving a decent run in 182 CUP 20kgs lighter + recaros (just cos they look cool).
the clio would be faster. i know the ctrs interior is sexy to look at and really well built with better plastics but agian its down to personal choice. the ctr will attract a certian kind of attention on the road (chav respect). the gear change and driving posistion is really sweet. the ctr can be seen as a better car as it does the simple things well. but the steering and looks and lack of torque + huge cost if you include fuel economy and insurance £16000 + 25mpg !!! + grp 17 insurance !!
the clio is for people who have other things to do in life than be a Honda techy geek but still want to travel at speed.
ctrs are really nice. but i honestly think 182cups are faster.
And my 2 cents.
Cant question Tiffs driving is good, and its a fair test if both cars are driven by one driver anyway. There really was naff-all in the end result but I have to say the Clio didnt look like it was driven as well as the Type-R... Just my feeling on the matter but I dont think it was driven as aggressively or convincingly.
The main thing is that the Clio just LOOKS so much better than the ugly Civic!
MKIII 138
^^^ agree if you look at topgear and how awesome the 182 was on that ! perfect handling just not enough power to move higher up the list. if the clio had the same handling but 200hp it would be really high up top gears list. i didnt think the clio was driven well on 5th gear at all. for some reason people dont like the fact that a more economical cheaper car is faster just because it hasnt got type-r badges slapped all over it.
Makes me crack up. Its only a car, who cares if the Type-R was 2 tenths of a second faster. If you like your Clios get one and be happy.
Dont how ever question a professional on what he knows!
Hes driven more cars than most people can shake a stick at so he knows what hes on about.
Golf GTI Ed30
I have to say, I knew this would end up being a 4+ page debate as soon as i saw the programme advertised. Like many people have already said... The CTR is a quicker car, get over it guys. BUT its also 2 grand (well £1500 to be exact, dont know where everyone is getting £4000 from. Yeah you can get bargains on the 182, but you can on the CTR too) more expensive. You get what you pay for in this world.....
Golf GTI Ed30
If we all had the same car. The world would be a seriously boring place. Oh and we wouldnt have debates like this...
Golf GTI Ed30
Hi,
1.It was not a cup.
2.All racing drivers make mistakes.
3.He did not do enough laps to get to know the cars properly.
4.The whole feature is to get you to ring in loads of times @£1 a go to win a £15000 car they got for free.
Thank you and I hope this will be the end of this thread(not likely).
MKIII 138
i think the main argument stems from bhp per tonne on a 182cup vs a ctr. so if a ctr is faster then its due to a.) gearing and b.) manufacturer lying about actual HP to keep insurance down i.e wouldnt it be better to advertise the CTR as 200hp rather than the 197hp that so many cars push ? i imagine claiming 200hp will push insurance up and i also imagine the ctr is pushing 210hp standard on a good model
where as we know the 182 doenst push 182 even its more like 178-180 so in theory the 182 is 0.2 secs slower yet pushes 30hp less and was driven less aggresivley than the CTR.
the clio is faster on the twisties its physics. the CTR is a much heavier car and runs 17" wheels. i cant belive it can change direction quicker than a cuppd 182 ?
CTR may be a Blingier car to own and better sounding even but the argument is not about fuel economy (clio wins) or spec (clio wins) its about cornering and straight line. the CTR will be two and a half car lenghs maybe three in front at 140mph which is feck all ! and it costs sooo much more.
another thing not mentioned the 182 and 172 break harder than 90% of anything on the roads today also.
a slightly less brave or sensible driver depends on opinion on road or track will not pull away in a ctr. fact.
so for all intents this "ctr is a quicker car" is only because they push higher power than sugested and and the clio pushes less. i agree straight line the ctr will be marginally quicker but as an example put a CTR against a 270hp Leon (as shown recently on seatcupra.net) and the ctr still doesnt get duffed up to bad. put one against a Radcial SR3 and see what happens.
is the ctr as fun to drive ?
also like to add one final thing..
5th gear gave away a brand new 20k Golf GTI strange that as they used to give away REALLY sh*tty prizes ??? now a CTR ???
1. Golft GTI they voted best hothatch gave away one ? VW gave them that
go figure
2. CTR is again later voted king of the hothatches two months later ? Honda gave them that ?
go figure
... so it seems that whatever car they give they rate the highest. the whole review proccess is fixed and stinks.
why didnt they have the king vs the old king i.e CTR vs GTI...
becuase
Well the Clio had the cup pack pushing it closer to the type-r price. It was out paced and out handled by a car thats built better and clearly out performed it. I doubt it has any worse brakes than the Clio if not theyre prob better. As for the 17s - the cars designed to run them. They only really bugger you up if you stick them in a car that was designed to run mush smaller wheels.
BUT that doesnt mean the Clios a bad bet.
Golf GTI Ed30
"Put one against a Radical SR3 and see what happens". Talk sense mate!
And to come out with that crap about the CTR having more power than manufacturers claim, is something else that is total sh*te. What hard eveidence have you got to support this? Sweet FA id imagine. What excuse you going to come up with next.... Honda secretly engineered 4WD running gear on the car that was featured last night. Or was it running 100 shot of Nos?
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