Timing belt

[fish2]

Had my timing belt done a little while back and has been low on power.

Symptoms i have pops a bit when cold letting off throttle
low power
smell a bit fuelly
and obd say the ignition timing at idle around 12.5-16 when hot dont know if this is right
also the oil smells fuelly
lumpy idle

Just wondering if this would mean the timing is out it also had a dephaser and aux belts done and done plugs ,leads and pack and im running 98 RON

 

[Mr R.]

Who did the work?

 

[fish2]

Who did the work?

A mechanic i know which my family has know for years has a good representation as well but it seams strange

 

[Mr R.]

If he didn't use the Renault tool's then it will be out 100%

 

[fish2]

If he didn't use the Renault tool's then it will be out 100%

he said he head the tools thats why i got him to do it is there any way to check the timing me self with out the tools ?

 

[fish2]

i also for got to mention that all 4 cylinders have a compression of 130 which is low

 

[Mr R.]

he said he head the tools thats why i got him to do it is there any way to check the timing me self with out the tools ?

No.

You need to fit the crank pin then check the cams with the horse shoe.

 

[fish2]

If I got the tool how would I change the timing ? Is the a guide ?

 

[Dan@SJM]

Better off taking it to someone who knows the job. The money you spend on tools will be more than what it costs to do the work.

 

[fish2]

right when to my mates today and checked the timing it is spot on. Then we checked the compression and his gage reads 192-195 on all cylinders which is good but means my gage must be wrong. So the problem still exists of the low power and other problems. It like its over fuelling my mate also drove my car as he has had a trophy a little while ago. He also thought it was under by 40 ish hp we were both thinking it have a rubbish map or there is a doge sensor. would Renault be able to reflash the ecu ?

 

[Dan@SJM]

Were his tools silver that slotted into the cams? Are you getting about 28mpg?

 

[fish2]

Were his tools silver that slotted into the cams? Are you getting about 28mpg?

yer thats the one and the crank pin no around the 30-32 mpg but still smells fuelly on idle and in the oil

 

[Dan@SJM]

So not the genuine tools then. I'm putting money on timing.

 

[fish2]

So not the genuine tools then. I'm putting money on timing.

They have been used on 3 different engines and one of them dyno at 181 hp and none of them had this problem

 

[Dan@SJM]

Just because he got 1 right doesn't mean yours is. Trust me I've spent the last 3 weeks correcting cambelts done by other garages. One of the worst was a trader on here at one point!

 

[fish2]

Just because he got 1 right doesn't mean yours is. Trust me I've spent the last 3 weeks correcting cambelts done by other garages. One of the worst was a trader on here at one point!

really why is there so many done wrong ? checking it is easy just remove the caps and put the crank pin it hand crank the engine to the stop and put the tool in the end

 

[Dan@SJM]

If you're turning the crank to get it to stop that's wrong already.

I don't know how so many people get it wrong, but they do. If the tool doesn't slide, side to side in the cams, it's wrong.

If the crank has been locked in the balance hole instead of the locking slot, it's wrong.

If the tensioner is past 12 Oclock, it's wrong.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Like so.
Timing has gone from this:

To this:

 

[bloke]

If the tensioner is past 12 Oclock, it's wrong.

i knew there was going to be something wrong with this one even before i saw the tensioner, the two spacers were missing from behind the top cover and then the tensioner...

 

[Dan@SJM]

FLOL. I had one in like that last week. And the timing was out, yet the garage had checked it 5 times and assured it was correct. It wasn't.

 

[davo172]

Just because he got 1 right doesn't mean yours is. Trust me I've spent the last 3 weeks correcting cambelts done by other garages. One of the worst was a trader on here at one point!

:astonished: :fearscream:SURELY NOT !!! ??

 

[brisbane956]

I'm getting mine done I a couple of weeks, although I'm taking it to Diamond so should be ok. There are too many horror stories about to risk this job, but I do have sympathy for those who have been stung!