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tuning options?
- Thread starter Laura
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Better than yours. C*nt.
Not bothering and buying something with a turbo and tuning potential in the first place.
I don't like being Mr. Negative but once you're bored of the power an exhaust, map, cams and intake system gives you on your RS then you need to look for something like the VAG 1.8T which you can tune the b****cks off, as the F4R isn't particularly fruitful in it's gains until you spend more money than makes sense on these things. It's really an engine for tuners to showcase what they can do, rather than for the masses to make rediculously quick.
Example the 2litre Duratec lump Ford do gets part of 280-300bhp from Throttlebodies, whereas I've seen no more than 250bhp on an F4R - and if that's flywheel then the Ford/Yamaha 1.6 Sigma engine won't be far behind that as that can get around 220@fly in top tune.
I don't like being Mr. Negative but once you're bored of the power an exhaust, map, cams and intake system gives you on your RS then you need to look for something like the VAG 1.8T which you can tune the b****cks off, as the F4R isn't particularly fruitful in it's gains until you spend more money than makes sense on these things. It's really an engine for tuners to showcase what they can do, rather than for the masses to make rediculously quick.
Example the 2litre Duratec lump Ford do gets part of 280-300bhp from Throttlebodies, whereas I've seen no more than 250bhp on an F4R - and if that's flywheel then the Ford/Yamaha 1.6 Sigma engine won't be far behind that as that can get around 220@fly in top tune.
If you put some very wild cams on and strengthen the bottom end to rev to 9k you will get 280bhp + out of an F4R. You havent seen it because not many clio owners are prepared to fork out 15k on an engine.
Better than yours. C*nt.
Whereas you can get the Duratec with all ancillaries running 280-300bhp for £6-7k...
Better than yours. C*nt.
She's a lady (ok, she's female) - you can't tell a female to lose weight! Not and keep your manhood!
Clio 172 mk2
lol....have to try that one
lol lose 3 stone?? that would make me like 5.5 stone :S
i want to keep my clio - but make it a wee bit special, bit different from everyother one
Duratec is a more modern efficient engine but it isnt easy to get that power
http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Duratec/Duratec Taper throttle top of the range kit.htm
You might get the bits for 6-7k but that doesnt include fitting.
steel crank, steel rods & Omega high compression pistons, a dry sump system, high specification camshafts and an upper & lower injection system. Plus new ECU and loom and ITBs
Better than yours. C*nt.
http://www.shawspeed.com/fdura.htm
It'll take a day to swap the engines over between a car that shipped with a 2ltDuratec if you're a noob, it'll take a professional all of 4-5 hours.
It'll take a day to swap the engines over between a car that shipped with a 2ltDuratec if you're a noob, it'll take a professional all of 4-5 hours.
Arent they just kit prices? You still need someone to fit to an engine.
With Throttle Bodies
230bhp Kit £3257.12 inc. VAT
Twin Jenvey throttle body setup, Omex 600 management ECU & Loom, Inlet manifold, fuel injectors, fuel pressure regulator, Air filter, Lightweight alternator setup, injector blanks, pair SS2 cams, EGR and water system blanks, set heavy duty big end bolts
250bhp Kit £5225.17 inc. VAT
As above with SS3 inlet cam and heavy duty valve spring set, set forged pistons, set steel rods, ported head
260bhp Kit £5286.85 inc. VAT
As above with SS3 inlet and exhaust cams and double valve spring set
To get someone to fit this lot to an F4R inlcuding part and mapping would be 6k and you would be lookin at 220bhp ish
230bhp Kit £3257.12 inc. VAT
Twin Jenvey throttle body setup, Omex 600 management ECU & Loom, Inlet manifold, fuel injectors, fuel pressure regulator, Air filter, Lightweight alternator setup, injector blanks, pair SS2 cams, EGR and water system blanks, set heavy duty big end bolts
230bhp Kit £3257.12 inc. VAT
Twin Jenvey throttle body setup, Omex 600 management ECU & Loom, Inlet manifold, fuel injectors, fuel pressure regulator, Air filter, Lightweight alternator setup, injector blanks, pair SS2 cams, EGR and water system blanks, set heavy duty big end bolts
how much money have you got to burn?
Christopher
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Z4M
decat
awt inlets
cup racer induction system with battery relocation
set of new cams
remap
that's what i'm trying for, you won't be talking silly money either.
awt inlets
cup racer induction system with battery relocation
set of new cams
remap
that's what i'm trying for, you won't be talking silly money either.
Banana
other than ITB's there's not much worth bothering with on these engines Laura, bar cams as Carbon said... you already have that Maxogen thingy anyway which I believe are very good... so really you just want a set of cams, inlet match and a remap... failing that just get a big power potential turbo car, Golf, TT or S3 or go jap.
I disagree. A low ratio gear box and lsd will probably give you a faster car point to point than itbs / cam set up, but that kind of depends on the roads or tracks you use. A sadev box from a cup racer, second hand, is not that expensive and easy to fit. It will give much better performance than most common tuning packages. You could also look at proper suspension modifications. I dont mean the off the shelf stuff people put on their cars, but expensive, well set up, lightweight components.
it kind of depends if you want to talk horse power down the pub, or want a fast car.
it kind of depends if you want to talk horse power down the pub, or want a fast car.
low ratio box and LSD means Sadev as you say... these are not cheap and need rebuilding a lot... fine for a track car but not on the road... also would love to know how much "not that expensive is" really is. but yeah, they are better than ITB's for performance, think a Cup Racer using one is 0-100 in around 11 seconds or under?
I havent seen a sadev box for less then 3k secondhand and doubt it would be great in the morning rush hour.
I agree that the shorter ratio box and lsd would be a good idea but again you wont see much change from 2.5k fitted.
What sort of suspension are you talking about?
Its horses for courses most people want a headline grabbing bhp figure before lsd and gearboxes are even thought about.
This is not true. The helical gear set from UK cup race cars can last for years with no rebuilds. Even the straight cut boxes of the european season do not require frequent rebuilds if serviced regularly. Speak to SWR about logivety of the boxes, which are as good as you will get from any standard box. Most rebuilds are needed because people fail to install full throttle cut ecu software, and obviously if you flat shift a sequential box with no throttle cut, the gears set will take a hammering.
VRS
the cup induction system id like what markm has got! the battery is relocated and instead of a 90degree inlet elbow u use a 30 degree one iirc! the filter basically sits behind the headlight.
more hassle than it's worth, they would want servicing after each race, so factor in your average week and some of the days it will be given death and your probably looking at weekly to 2 weekly service intervals... on a road car... pointless and no cheaper than ITB's... would have a faster car, but I'd go for bodies every time.
BMW M4; S1000 RR
At the end of the day, it's a FWD hatch. (Along with everything else discussed)
How much power can you really throw at it before it starts hurting you..
Wanting more than 200hp I would want RWD to pair. Though with the common mods stated, I imagine it makes for interesting drives in the Clio. After all it's still going to be competing with over 95% of cars on the road.
How much power can you really throw at it before it starts hurting you..
Wanting more than 200hp I would want RWD to pair. Though with the common mods stated, I imagine it makes for interesting drives in the Clio. After all it's still going to be competing with over 95% of cars on the road.
BMW M4; S1000 RR
Not forgetting Jap rhymes with Crap.
it would be easily usable if it's setup correctly, your only going to have traction problems in the first two gear and maybe a bit of spin in 3rd with decent rubber (not GSD3's!)
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