valver mpg and relaibility

[clioman]

Bit of advice if you would all be so kind.

Ever since i wrote off my 172 last august i have had a xsara and now an mx5(which i hate). Basicly i'm gonna stop *****ing about and just go and buy another clio but this is time a valver.

Few questions i need answering:
1) difference between phase 1 & 2?
2) what mpg they return?
3) do they have common reliability issues or as a whole are they good?


think this is it for now

thanks
shaw

 

[rodds_1]

i've done just shy of 5k in mine an it's delivering 41.9mpg - an it see's the red line quite often

 

[clioman]

thats damm good

 

[jprlaw]

is that right? how many miles you get from a tank then? 400plus?

 

[cat171]

tbh (and I hate saying this) your best off doing a search as your questions get asked every other week, do a search for williams reliability too.

 

[clioman]

i did a search and not alot came up tbh so thought i would direct the question again

 

[clio-girl]

My valver has been really unreliable breaks down every other week and ive got to keep chucking money at it but i might just be unlucky!

 

[Will16Valver]

i was getting about the same mpg from the valver as i was from the 1.2 i had. might b because i didnt have 2 thrash the valver just 2 move like haha!
Williams 1, 2 & 3 Differences

Standard For All Williams Models

• Oval Plate number for Williams is C57M. The 16v is C57D.
• 150bhp, 2.0 16v Engine.
• Wider Front Track than the 16v, Uprated Suspension front and rear than the 16v.
• Williams Badges on Rear Arches and Tailgate. Williams 1 says "Williams", Williams 2 says "Williams 2" and Williams 3 says "Williams 3"
• Williams sill plate in black
• Gold wheels with the silver rim - the same wheels across all Williams'.
• Williams Stitched interior with lumbar support and height adjustment
• Blue Seat Belts
• Carry Case attached to Parcel Shelf
• No Brake Coolers like found on the 16v
• Blue Dials (Speedo, Rev Counter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temperature, Oil Level, Coolant Temperature)
• Blue Gear Knob
• Blue Carpet in main cabin area
• Slightly larger than 16v, colour-coded rear tailgate spoiler
• Electric Windows, Power Steering, Central Locking
• Oil Cooler fitted, the 16v didn't have one
• Uprated front subframe than the clio 16v subframe

Clio Williams 1 - Produced 1993/94 (L) - 390 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Mk1, Phase1 Clio's. (1991 - 1994)
• Small Bump Strips, 2.0 badge round side repeaters
• Flat looking rear lights with black plastic strip
• Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the boot strip.
• Slated Front Non Colour-coded Grill
• Phase1 16v Mirrors but manually controlled
• Phase1 Heater Controls
• Blue Carpet throughout including boot carpet!
• All were Sports Blue (449)
• Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
• Plaque to show number of car (as limited run)
• Williams Badges are an Outline, and not filled.

Clio Williams 2 - Produced 1994/95 (M) - 482 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Mk1, Phase2 Clio's. (1994 - 1996)
• Larger, more rounded bump strips - with 2.0 badges
• More Rounded Rear Lights and Boot Strip to match
• Badges (Renault and Clio) are on the tailgate now.
• Colour Coded, different style Grill
• Phase2 Electric/Heated Mirrors
• Phase2 Heater Controls
• Again, All Sports Blue 449.
• Only 4" Dash Speakers in front (no rear speakers)
• Revised Williams Stickers

Clio Williams 3 - Produced 1995/96 (N) - 308 Manufactured for the UK

• Based on the Williams 2 (Mk1, Phase2 Clio)
• Electric door mirrors
• Introduction of door speakers (5 1/4")
• Introduction of rear 4" speakers
• Change of colour to Monoco Blue (432)
• ABS as standard
• Electric Sunroof as standard
• Williams badges seem a brighter gold and a deeper blue infill.
• Blaupunkt headunit & Steering Wheel Stereo Control
• Revised Dashboard illumination
• Revised Williams Stickers again

*pinched from williamsclio.co.uk

there reliable if u dont buy a dog! will probly have th othe clio issues tho, rear arches, steerin column PAS, theres more but cant think off the top of my head, as sed b4, do a search im sure u will find summin.

Will

 

[edde]

Few questions i need answering:
1) difference between phase 1 & 2?
2) what mpg they return?
3) do they have common reliability issues or as a whole are they good?

Relaibility depends how good it is its 10 years old so bound to surrber a bit but mine was stop on no complains realy the mods were the problem with mine.

Phase 2 is the pahse I prefere as I liked the wing mirrors more. Plus I feel bad about abusing a limited edition plaqued car.


MPG as with all things depends hwo you drive I got 33 or so 10 mpg on track though much like a new Clio.

 

[cat171]

i did a search and not alot came up tbh so thought i would direct the question again

Fair enough, sorry. I thought there would have been loads on here (I swear there is) guess i'm wrong.

 

[Jim_RT]

Lol I'm just thinking what I've had fixed on mine... errmmm

- New Alternator
- x2 New Front Coilovers
- New Steering Rack
- New Steering Column
- New Track Rod Ends
- New Waterpump
- New Idler Tensioner Pully + Aux Belt
- New Drivers-side Window Regulator
- Replaced Power Steering Fluid
- Handbrake adjusted
- Brakes Bled

To be done this Week...

- Fit New Starter Motor (just packed in yesterday)
- Fix Exhaust
- Fix Horn
- Fix Washer Jet Pump
- Fix Front Bumper
- Fit x16 New Hydraulic Lifters

Maintenance done so far....

- New Sparkplugs
- New Dizzy + Rotorarm + King Lead
- New Heavy Duty Battery
- x4 New Eagle F1's
- New Camkit
- Oil + Filter Change

Still to do sometime when I get money!!!

- Fix small rust bubble on arch
- Fix Speedo (odometer won't reset)
- Fit Williams Blue Carpet

(I think that's about it) I love my Valver. :rasp:

 

[Michael172]

is that right? how many miles you get from a tank then? 400plus?

ive got a 1.2, get about 300 miles to a full tank, it sees 280 and then i fill the thing up.

For some reason the 172 does very close to mine. wtf ?

 

[Jim_RT]

My valver has been really unreliable breaks down every other week and ive got to keep chucking money at it but i might just be unlucky!

Think your in the same boat as me. I get a good one or two months out of her then she's off the road for like a week being fixed again. :clown:

 

[clio-girl]

Lol I'm just thinking what I've had fixed on mine... errmmm

- New Alternator
- x2 New Front Coilovers
- New Steering Rack
- New Steering Column
- New Track Rod Ends
- New Waterpump
- New Idler Tensioner Pully + Aux Belt
- New Drivers-side Window Regulator
- Replaced Power Steering Fluid
- Handbrake adjusted
- Brakes Bled

To be done this Week...

- Fit New Starter Motor (just packed in yesterday)
- Fix Exhaust
- Fix Horn
- Fix Washer Jet Pump
- Fix Front Bumper
- Fit x16 New Hydraulic Lifters

Maintenance done so far....

- New Sparkplugs
- New Dizzy + Rotorarm + King Lead
- New Heavy Duty Battery
- x4 New Eagle F1's
- New Camkit
- Oil + Filter Change

Still to do sometime when I get money!!!

- Fix small rust bubble on arch
- Fix Speedo (odometer won't reset)
- Fit Williams Blue Carpet

(I think that's about it) I love my Valver. :rasp:

my list is as long as that im on my 3rd engine in 4 years! its a good job i love my valver as well!

 

[clio-girl]

ive had body work as well both arches, repray the bonnet and new complete sills!
she looks pretty now though!

and also get through wheel bearings, track rods and wishbones like their going out of fashion!

 

[Jim_RT]

ive had body work as well both arches, repray the bonnet and new complete sills!
she looks pretty now though!

Loves it. :approve:

Also sure I read you had some work done on her iirc? By Ben at Angelworks? Bet she's running nice now though.

 

[clioman]

Christ, im starting to be put off by these comments,lol.

 

[Jim_RT]

Christ, im starting to be put off by these comments,lol.

Lol nah... good fun man.

 

[clio-girl]

ive had body work as well both arches, repray the bonnet and new complete sills!
she looks pretty now though!

Loves it. :approve:

Also sure I read you had some work done on her iirc? By Ben at Angelworks? Bet she's running nice now though.

its not back from AWT yet should be another couple of weeks but on the drive to his garage the steering went so i think hes gonna replace the rack! and hes also got to do the alternator tensioner and sort out some fuel lines for me from a temporary repair when it broke down on the way to the fcs 06!

 

[clio-girl]

Christ, im starting to be put off by these comments,lol.

Lol nah... good fun man.

dont be put off some ppl are lucky and the valvers are so fun to drive makes it seem a little bit worth while

 

[Dan_mk1]

Christ, im starting to be put off by these comments,lol.

Dont be put off, they really are cracking little cars. They are like any old school hot hatch, if they've been looked after then they will be as reliable as any car. Try to find an unmodded one if your using it everyday as modifying them brings extra costs (mention above, arb's, tyres etc)

Ive had mine nearly 4 1/2 years and its broke down on me twice, once because the alternator packed up (I ignored the battery light for a few days, lol) and a few weeks back the gearbox gave up the ghost, but mine isnt running standard power, I dont think twice in nearly 5 years is bad for a 14 year old car!?

Go for it, they have so much more charachter than a 172 etc and just as much fun to drive...

 

[clio-girl]

and getting a valver at least its a bit different there arnt many left now!

 

[clioman]

oohhh, there seems to be mixed reviews. i'm torn now to weather or not its a gd idea

 

[Waitey]

Mine did 30mpg.

Got thrashed every day. Got crashed 4 times. Was on 150k miles and it was still on its original cam belt and clutch.

Thats reliability.

 

[clioman]

thats also impressive! how many miles to a tank?

 

[Waitey]

£35 would get me around 250-300 miles depending on how it was driven.

 

[Pep]

i've done just shy of 5k in mine an it's delivering 41.9mpg - an it see's the red line quite often

a valver is a 1.8 16v mk1 clio, not a mk2 ph2 1.2 16v mate!

 

[Garc]

1st post... Hi all. I'm getting between 23 and 27 mpg on my '96 1.8 16v. Only bought it in November (£1000Stg) from a small l independent dealer and had many small problems but it always drove well.

Had it checked out by main dealer who fixed most problems but can't find reason for low mpg (although emissions are high). Due to my low mileage and the fact that valvers are rare in Ireland don't mind the low mpg.

Never broke down

Gar

 

[J203425]

dont get me wrong I love my valver (I've had 3 over the years) but im sorry to say they are unreliable as hell. they just eat money. mines getting scrapped in july because am I hell putting it through another MOT

 

[cat171]

Valvers do have a lot of character, they are rare though (I had one when i was 21) a car which I owned for three years
Unless I could find a complete minter nowadays (which mine was back then before I sold it) I wouldn't get one now.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I will say (from personal experience) get one with a stack of service history & bills (as mine did) otherwise the problems will be just around the corner - cambelt,clutch,gearbox etc (the list goes on) also the dreaded rust on the rear arches too (thankfully mine was clean as)
I paid top top mney for it though back then (it was rare with factory grey leather too ) I sold it about 2 years ago for top end money too.