What HP from Cams

[Big Bob]

what HP and torque am i likely to see from Group N Cat Cams ?

 

[S77CCP]

10 - 15bhp at most.

 

[en035]

without a custom remap even not these ^^^^

 

[Johnc172]

Before cams i had 188 since cat cams 204 thats with a custom remap as well.

 

[Mark One]

it's expensive bhp. £700 for a set arent they. Then the RR map is going to be £280 ish

 

[ben_p]

car will have

decat
exhaust
filter
re map
cams
inlets

should see 195- 200 hp

 

[Big Bob]

car will have

decat
exhaust
filter
re map
cams
inlets

should see 195- 200 hp

sell some house's

any local playboy mansions for less than £100,000 let me know

 

[ben_p]

lol

 

[Big Bob]

it's expensive bhp. £700 for a set arent they. Then the RR map is going to be £280 ish

1 x set of Cat Cams
1 x Remap
1 x Cam belt
1 x Aux belt


£ 1100 fully fitted.

 

[Big Bob]

Before cams i had 188 since cat cams 204 thats with a custom remap as well.

what did you have for 188 ?

 

[Johnc172]

BMC CDA, decat, exhaust, custom remap, think that was it

 

[TheJesus]

just get a Viper induction kit and a remap, 13bhp all day long

 

[Fred@BTM]

^11 infact

 

[Big Bob]

^11 infact

im sure i read a quote from you that said 12

 

[Big Bob]

it's expensive bhp. £700 for a set arent they. Then the RR map is going to be £280 ish

1 x set of Cat Cams
1 x Remap
1 x Cam belt
1 x Aux belt


£ 1100 fully fitted.

ive got the metal bar and the grinder im gonna make em up tonight
http://www.powertools-china.com/images/BenchGrinder_7270.jpg

 

[Big Bob]

BMC CDA, decat, exhaust, custom remap, think that was it

similar to what i allready have

 

[Phill_howz]

it's expensive bhp. £700 for a set arent they. Then the RR map is going to be £280 ish

1 x set of Cat Cams
1 x Remap
1 x Cam belt
1 x Aux belt


£ 1100 fully fitted.

Where will i get that price from ?
WHat sort of brake will i be looking at if i did that to my 172 cup!!

 

[gregwilliams333]

you prob wont get no where near 200 bhp i would take my car to a rr first find out how much you got now then get that done and after do another rr to see

 

[fuzzi]

whats would it be like to get cams done on a 1.6?

 

[mini-valver]

The standard 1600 cams are realy mild. The only ones Cat sell to run on the ph2 (Fly by wire) are the 702's and 703's. The 703's being bigger.

I'm running 704's as I'm on standalone management, cant go any wilder without solid lifters....


www.catcams.be

 

[fuzzi]

so whats better for a 1600 with out changing anything else within. never understood the difference between them lol

 

[reg_the_geza]

does anyone know the wildest cat cams that can be used with std engine and ecu?

 

[mini-valver]

so whats better for a 1600 with out changing anything else within. never understood the difference between them lol

I'd use 703's. They are the most you can go on the standard ecu...

does anyone know the wildest cat cams that can be used with std engine and ecu?

Which engine?

 

[reg_the_geza]

sorry mate, ph2 172 cup engine.

what bhp do they produce with them cams with the usual breathing mods and remap?

 

[Russ_16v]

prob around the 200 bhp mark maybe a lil more,more important is better power delivery and torque,dont forget to get the inlets matched

 

[reg_the_geza]

prob around the 200 bhp mark maybe a lil more,more important is better power delivery and torque,dont forget to get the inlets matched

but what cams would that be with, and what is involved in ''matching the inlets''
iam new to clio's, can you tell

 

[mini-valver]

I think the 428's are the wildest you can go on stock management on the F4R but I cant check as the farking website doesnt show it!

 

[reg_the_geza]

I think the 428's are the wildest you can go on stock management on the F4R but I cant check as the farking website doesnt show it!

yeah it doesnt work, ive tried lol

 

[reg_the_geza]

I think the 428's are the wildest you can go on stock management on the F4R but I cant check as the farking website doesnt show it!

Can download an offline copy of the catalogue that works with IE6


http://www.catcams.co.uk/fullcat.asp

 

[Eckascliovalver]

BMC CDA, decat, exhaust, custom remap, think that was it

thats the route im on what exhaust system you running?

 

[fuzzi]

I'd use 703's. They are the most you can go on the standard ecu...

how much roughtly? would it be worth it how much bhp lol
sorry for loads of questions

 

[Big Bob]

you prob wont get no where near 200 bhp i would take my car to a rr first find out how much you got now then get that done and after do another rr to see

i plan on getting it rr'd and will post the results i hope for just shy of 200hp but anything in the 190-200 bracket i will be happy with in fifth at 5k its still pulling away like a good en

 

[Big Bob]

prob around the 200 bhp mark maybe a lil more,more important is better power delivery and torque,dont forget to get the inlets matched

thanks for the advice as everyone has said this but as the plan is to either run boddies or carbs i decided against spending the money on the inlets.

 

[Dan172+]

When iv looked at some packages from various tuning companies, they list group n ecu remap as part of the cam package.....surely you would need a custom map after fitting cams??:S or would the generic map run mild cams ok?

 

[Big Bob]

When iv looked at some packages from various tuning companies, they list group n ecu remap as part of the cam package.....surely you would need a custom map after fitting cams??:S or would the generic map run mild cams ok?

you can run cams on standard ecu programme but you wont get the correct mixture or the increase in performance after fitting any cams its necessary to have a relivant remap.

 

[BenR]

you prob wont get no where near 200 bhp i would take my car to a rr first find out how much you got now then get that done and after do another rr to see

i plan on getting it rr'd and will post the results i hope for just shy of 200hp but anything in the 190-200 bracket i will be happy with in fifth at 5k its still pulling away like a good en

You wont be close to 200 with just cams.

 

[Big Bob]

i plan on getting it rr'd and will post the results i hope for just shy of 200hp but anything in the 190-200 bracket i will be happy with in fifth at 5k its still pulling away like a good en

You wont be close to 200 with just cams.

what will it be ?

decat
exhaust
i.k.
428 cams + remap

 

[Dan172+]

Yes, this understood, i was once told that the ktec 'group n remap' comprised of a raised rev limit and the widening of the ecus self learning parameters....so it would have a wider self learning ability than standard as you add further modifications. Was just wondering if they rely on the group n ecu to stretch to run cams as part of the package, or they perform another remap to cater for the cams...

I know which would be better, obviously, as i have a custom live map myself. But i just wondered if thats what they offered as part of the basic package and wether youd have to pay more still for a rr setup.

 

[Big Bob]

Yes, this understood, i was once told that the ktec 'group n remap' comprised of a raised rev limit and the widening of the ecus self learning parameters....so it would have a wider self learning ability than standard as you add further modifications. Was just wondering if they rely on the group n ecu to stretch to run cams as part of the package, or they perform another remap to cater for the cams...

I know which would be better, obviously, as i have a custom live map myself. But i just wondered if thats what they offered as part of the basic package and wether youd have to pay more still for a rr setup.

its normally a different map again for cams as there are different types of cams aswell the group n camms work much better through the rev range where as the 428's tend to be better after about 5k and you can only benifit from this with a relivant remap.


if you have further questions you are best speaking to Ben R