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What should my car rev to ???



  172 cup
My car is a 172 cup. Ment to be camed will find out when i take it apart. The thing is the limiter comes in at 6500rpm is this right ????
 
  S4 Avant
It's cold. Takes quite a bit of time for the oil to warm up enough. After driving it hard for a bit, the limiter will raise to 7200, or higher if it's been mapped with cams.
 
  172 cup
Dont really know if its been mapped as it run like a bag o sh*t. i will let it get really warm and give it a go. why will it not do it from cold has renault wrote something in to the ecu
 
  2.2 bar shed.
Dont really know if its been mapped as it run like a bag o sh*t. i will let it get really warm and give it a go. why will it not do it from cold has renault wrote something in to the ecu

Oh my f**king word. Have some mechanical sympathy. I thought I had no sympathy giving my gearbox/clutch hell but this takes it to the next level.
 
  2.2 bar shed.
Ok then mate explain. what you mean

Oils thicker when its cold. Its lubricating properties are much less. You rev the tits off it when its cold the oil wont lubricate properly, damages bearing surfaces over time, etc etc etc.
 
  172 cup
Oils thicker when its cold. Its lubricating properties are much less. You rev the tits off it when its cold the oil wont lubricate properly, damages bearing surfaces over time, etc etc etc.

Cheers for that mate as i am an engineer that is right just from start. Oil heats up very quick as you will know i am sure??. But then explain why it wont rev? Then as asked is there something ie a temp sensor that wont let it rev over this below a set temp car was run for a fair bit before tested. Could there be a problem with it. Also as you read it i never said it was cold but said i will get it really warm.
 

Ol’ Tarby

ClioSport Moderator
  Clio 220 Trophy
Yes it has a lowered limiter when water temp is <85 degrees, or sum random other number i cant remember
 
It should have a 7200rpm limiter when warm if it's standard. No idea how it does it but yes it's normal for the limiter to kick in early when the car decides it's not warmed up enough.

What makes you think it's got aftermarket cams in it btw?
 
  328, MK1 Clio 1.4
There is a cold limiter that runs for about 10 - 15 mins JUST INCASE.

Don't know why it is running like s**t, sounds like it has been cammed by someone who doesn't know what they're doing, hopefully you do?
 

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
Standard limiter is 7,200 rpm when upto temp.

It cuts in at 6500rpm when its not hot enough.
 
  172 cup
When i bought the car i was told it has been camed from the guy i bought it off it has a very lumpy idle also. but the guy could not tell me the profile. i am going to get it stripped down in the next few weeks and check it all out and get a map for the car. i have all the gaskets and belts here now it's just getting time to do it. It was the first i had the used the car in the 2 months since buying it and thought there was something wrong.
 
  Ph1 172
lol you're and engineer, you're stripping the car down and working on it... and you dont know that its not acceptable to rev the tits of a cold car? dear god, no wonder there are so many 2nd hand heaps about.
 
  172 cup
Car had been driven for over 8 miles and as said it was not cold. But I would really heat it up. Also ask to see if there was a problem with it As I think there is. Why don't you put something positive in to replys to help poeple out.
 
  Rusty Cup
your car will take alot longer than 8 miles to warm up fully, the temp gauge on the dash shows water temp not oil temp. I would say drive it for 30mins and then if it wont hit 7200rpm in third then somethings not right.
 
  172 cup
I know that's the water temp gauge. So there must be an oil temp sensor to be stopping it rev to 7200 as the water temp is on midle of gauge.
 

aucky

ClioSport Club Member
The oil can take aaages to get up to temp especially when there is 0degC air rushing through the radiator.. (which I'm guessing it is, in Glasgow).
Even though the water temp is correct, it doesn't mean the oil is too.

I'm not sure if the setpoint for the limiter runs from coolant or oil temp but there are loads of threads on this. Use the search button.
 

gez 172

ClioSport Club Member
  Defender 110
my ph1 when its warm revs to 7.2k in 1st and 2nd gear, then 7k 3rd, 4th and 5th.
 
In terms of your car running lumpy regardless of the rev limit, when the other guy fitted/had the cams fitted the timing would need to be adjusted as it clearly wouldn't be the same settings used as when standard cams are in place, if that is wrong then the car will certainly run lumpy. Also you need to have a look at what else is on the car because if the car is running high lift cams and letting more fuel in when the valves lift higher, it will need spark plugs that give a bigger bang and will also need a fuel pump/pressure valve capable of delivering the additional fuel and pressure. So if it hasn't got performance sparks (iridium minimum) a higher performance fuel pump and pressure valve then the car will probably not run vey well. Once you've sorted those things out consider getting a performance exhaust if you haven't already to get rid of the extra exhaust from the extra fuel being burnt and THEN go get your remap. Should be good after that.
If your car won't rev over 6500rpm the ECU is running the conservative map pre programmed by renault to protect the engine from impatient people revving the engine high which leads to engine damage when cold. When the oil is at the correct temp which is detected by the oil temp sensor that runs to the ECU, the ECU then switches to the normal map which has the increased rev limit as it is safe to do so when the oil has reached the correct temp. Hope this helps.
 
  Lionel Richie
^maybe true for other cars but not for the clios

fuel pump - stock is fine upto 240bhp
FPR - is in the tank and doesn't need an ajustable one
cam timing - unless he has deleted VVT then you use stock timing setup
plugs - stock are fine, iridium are a waste of cash

i'd suggest you start by changing the coolant temp sensor and have the cam timing checked by a renault specialist

stock rev limit is 7200rpm, if its only reving to 6500 its "normally" the coolant sensor at fault

with a map you're safe upto 7800rpm
 
^maybe true for other cars but not for the clios

fuel pump - stock is fine upto 240bhp
FPR - is in the tank and doesn't need an ajustable one
cam timing - unless he has deleted VVT then you use stock timing setup
plugs - stock are fine, iridium are a waste of cash

i'd suggest you start by changing the coolant temp sensor and have the cam timing checked by a renault specialist

stock rev limit is 7200rpm, if its only reving to 6500 its "normally" the coolant sensor at fault

with a map you're safe upto 7800rpm

As you said with most cars it is the case, an uprated fuel pump and uprated pressure release valve (not necessarily adjustable) would help in this situation regardless of the capability of the standard components. Iridium plugs would also be beneficial and not a waste of cash if looking to optimise the smoothness of the engine. Getting the cam timing checked is definitely a good place to start before going straight to the cost of a remap.
 
  Lionel Richie
no need for an uprated pump or valve at all on a 172/182, the stock plugs are the best, simple as that, trust me here Iridiums ARE a waste of cash on the F4R
 


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