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2005 Impreza WRX STI
still think v6 is faster
BMW 330d :)
Well if anyone wants to do a straight swap with their slower £27k Mk2 V6 for my £9k cup let me know!
Fraser
i hill climb and sprint a 5 turbo 1 220 bhp. this would rag any 172/182 over 1/4 mile...it would out handle any clio...and its 23 years old...
the vee would leave any 172/182 between 90 and 140 mph without a doubt...i have owned/driven both.
the 182 of omars beet me by 0.6 of a second around the airfield...which was tight and twisty...no willy or valver got within 3 seconds of us.
i then drove omars 182 and got within 1 second of him...without any experience of driving his car.. i found it was so easy...the vee takes care and pushing a little bit more each time....
Nippy white cup
Although there are obvious advantages for a V6 on an open track, wouldnt the low down torque be useful on a tight track? I know it wont be as nimble but with the understeer of the 182 I would imagine it should pull pretty well out of the corners
Chris
Renault Laguna Coupe
The V6 isnt really at home on short twisty tracks - Mine goes a lot better at Oulton Park or Donington than it does at Brands Indy for instance.
All the comments about the Vee being difficult to drive quickly are accurate in my opinion. It took me at least 4 trackdays before I could lap faster than I could in my old 172. Oulton Park last month was the first event where I didnt get passed by anything else all day.
You have to invest a lot of time and money to learn to get the best out of a V6, but then anyone reading this forum would know that before buying one.
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
Ill have those links, pls Lee.....Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 04 August 2005
As I said in a previous post. Only one V6 has been quicker than me on track and that was driven by someone who does track days for a living.
The V requires a much better driver to be driven fast than a 182 does.
If you like I can post links to numerous videos of me on track days catching and passing Vs. Let me know if you want links to the vids.
I find I can brake later, corner faster and carry more speed out of the turn. Youll see on one of the vids how I pull out to overtake a V out of a corner which I took better, then after a few yards the power becomes and issue and he edges away, if it werent a track day (no overtaking) Id not have much trouble either out braking or cornering one.
This is from personal experience, Im just telling you the way its happened to me.
The V6 is all about the experience to me, its a very special car which is fantastic to drive, it doesnt matter if the 182 is quicker or slower. The V is amazing. It just wouldnt suit the way I like to drive.
In reference to your question in the other thread Craig, Ive found on the road the Mk2 V6 is a lot harder to keep up with on the track. The torque it has really shows then.
D.
Darren, the Brands ones are here . And theres one following me at http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=13&TopicID=158889&PagePosition=1Link
And theres one from Oulton Park here, http://www.perrylandsplants.co.uk/brandshatch/trophy.mpgLink
You might have already seen them.
The brands ones are in the 182.
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
I think for me, the Vee is something to aspire too. Financial limits aside, I think Ive approached it the correct way. The Punto GT I had before was truly, truly awful at handling - in fact, it was abysmal. The 182 was a revelation in terms on compusure and telling you what it the black stuff was like beneath it.
Dont get me wrong, if I had V6 money in my pocket before ordering the 182, I would have gone for that - but I think something like the 182 prepares you for the next stage. The fact that one model of Clio compared to the other maybe faster/slower to me is completely irrelevant. Its the drive that I want - the grin on my face when everything comes together. The noise, the gearchanges, the smooth cornering, etc...
If anything, the 182 does that too well. I want something that will test me as a driver, but not too much that I wrap the thing around the next tree. The V6 to me, is a perfect progression from the 182.
So all you Vee owners - look after the buggers for when they reach the hand-me-down price bracket!
D.
MERCEDES CLS AMG
the man talks sense.Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 04 August 2005
As I said in a previous post. Only one V6 has been quicker than me on track and that was driven by someone who does track days for a living.
The V requires a much better driver to be driven fast than a 182 does.
If you like I can post links to numerous videos of me on track days catching and passing Vs. Let me know if you want links to the vids.
I find I can brake later, corner faster and carry more speed out of the turn. Youll see on one of the vids how I pull out to overtake a V out of a corner which I took better, then after a few yards the power becomes and issue and he edges away, if it werent a track day (no overtaking) Id not have much trouble either out braking or cornering one.
This is from personal experience, Im just telling you the way its happened to me.
The V6 is all about the experience to me, its a very special car which is fantastic to drive, it doesnt matter if the 182 is quicker or slower. The V is amazing. It just wouldnt suit the way I like to drive.
In reference to your question in the other thread Craig, Ive found on the road the Mk2 V6 is a lot harder to keep up with on the track. The torque it has really shows then.
actually he did like the 182, he said the interior and seating position were poor but the handling and fun of the car more than made up for it.Quote: Originally posted by clarkiev6 on 04 August 2005
Oh and just to add....J.Clarkson did not even like the 182...let alone have one in his top ten garage....but hey...what does he know..
The 182 is positioned on the cool wall at the very right of cool nearly overlapping the line for sub-zero so I think thats pretty good!
He didnt have it in his top 10 cars as with a v6 in there he wouldnt need the 182, 2 clios in there would be mad.
MERCEDES CLS AMG
if the V is so good why have they discontinued it ????
and....... like previous they are stopping the 182 as well...
and...mine dont look like a 1.2 from the front either....
i dont think we will ever agree on this.......
lets face it....V6s RULE OK!!!!
[Edited by clarkiev6 on 04 August 2005 at 1:09pm]
[Edited by clarkiev6 on 04 August 2005 at 1:10pm]
Quote: Originally posted by SimonV6 on 04 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by Chris nnic on 04 August 2005Lol well this hasnt been done before!
Chris Loads and loads of times I seem to remember, and this Time Im keeping well out of it..... Simon.[/QUOTE]I give you ten minutes before you crack and join in.
Even though weve pretty much tied it up now.
black golf v6 4 motion
i am a vee man myself would have one over a 182 meg 225 any day if i could afford one
Quote: Originally posted by Lee on 04 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by SimonV6 on 04 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by Chris nnic on 04 August 2005
Lol well this hasnt been done before!
Chris
Loads and loads of times I seem to remember, and this Time Im keeping well out of it.....
Simon.
I give you ten minutes before you crack and join in.
You lose....lol
Simon.
MKIII 138
most people would but that wasnt the question. which is faster thats the question.
its been answered as the 182 on track
presumably a V6 in a straight line (most encounters) and perhaps on smooth longer bends where directional change isnt required.
on b roads i imagine the 182 would turn faster and could carry more speed. after all if you over do it on a b road the 182 tells you the limits and are controllable the Vee doesnt without extreme care so in reality the 182 is faster for most but that wont stop people being overtooken by V6s n a bypass or motoway in their 182s and then claiming there faster just due to straight line speeds.
lets face it a Trophy can whip a boxster s around a track apparently or exact same times but in a straight line it will pull, so in most circumstances the boxster, impreza, bmw etc.. are gonna seem a lot faster.
MERCEDES CLS AMG
A good cup will outpace a V6 on and off the track - no argument .........and you V6 owners know it.
MKIII 138
now hang on m8, on the last topgear an F1 driver (cant remember the name of the guy) said it was no way 4 seconds off in the wet even in the liana they use. he didnt say what it would be but clarkson was arguing about it with him and he was adamant its more like 2 secs max in the wet if that.
so what time did the V6 get ? - 2 secs
what time did hte 182 get
can someone work it out as i dont have the track times.
MKIII 138
also the cup would be faster than a 182 most likley on a track, and the trophy (yet to be tested) faster still.
there are soooo many cars that have better power figures but cant cut it on cornering and braking (182 brakes better than V6) i.e which would win around a track a lotus elise or a american muscle car with a v8 and 300+ hp 300 lbft + of course it would be the elise.
the old bmw motto "power is nothing without control"
btw grip isnt control. Control is when grip is exceded.
Nippy white cup
Ahh so basically if you arent a racing driver the V6 will be slower..... (stirs the pot!)
Chris
MERCEDES CLS AMG
So is that it then, we have come to a conclusion, the 182 is faster than the V6 unless it is a traffic light GP (which is obviously illegal anyway) so the 182 wins especially on track (unless JT is driving that is as he is a nutter and doesnt have to pay for his car anyway!)
Yey!!!
[Edited by dave182 on 04 August 2005 at 3:33pm]
But hang on, given the choice I would choose to drive around in the V6 every day of the week!
MERCEDES CLS AMG
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