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Oh dear.
I have a ph1 172 and Im happy with it, I originally wanted a ph2 Cup but I couldnt afford it at the time but Im more than happy with my ph1.
The term "baws hair" comes to mind.
Although with the ph1, I prefer the looks, the dials, the seats, cable throttle and relative rarity (in comparison to the ph2).
Either way, you wont be disappointed.
mk2, i dont really like the look of the mk1s, although so people say the mk1s are faster? as for price, the price of clios has dropped dramatically in the last year or so, so i odnt thinck that the cost f purchase shud be something to worry abt. get a mk2 for 7k now! thats so cheap, i paid 4k for my williams 6 months back!
Mk1s are faster on paper, however in real life they are all very similar. Its all about the driver anyway.
I prefer the seats in the Mk1, along with the RS dials and the air intakes cut into the front bumper. Also the fact that they use a cable throttle.
I was in the same position as you... i could have afforded either a RS-1 or RS-2, but i chose the RS-1 due to the above.
http://www.fubarnet.com/images/gallery1/2.jpg
Just seen this cup on A.T. (third one down) really cheap!??
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/cars_search.asp?page=3&modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&make=RENAULT&model=CLIO&variant=172&keywords=&min_pr=4000&max_pr=7000&mileage=5&agerange=0&postcode=s11+8ne&miles=1500&max_records=50&source=0&photo=1&sort=3&ukcarsearch_full=SEARCHLINK
2nd one down?
3rd one down aint a Cup.
Ring him and ask why so cheap.
[Edited by cli0 172 on 18 August 2005 at 2:20pm]
i prefer the mk2. the only thing i like on the mk1 is the coloured stitching on the renault sport logo.
pic of my dads flame red mk2, http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b159/cat171/red172.jpghere
Mk2. I prefer the fly by wire throttle. Its faster responding than the cable throttle. Read http://www.picotech.com/auto/applications/electronic_throttle_control.htmlTHIS.
I prefer the looks, the interior is MILES better, the handling is better and I love Xenons and CC. As loony says, all totally subjective and all my opinion.
But ,as Fubar says, in reality theres nothing between them. Its purely down to taste. The Mk1 is a few tenths quicker to 60 , but theyre the same to a ton down changes in gearing between the two. I didnt notice on the one I drove, but apparently the 5k kick is far more prominent on the mk1.
Whichever you choose, you wont be disapointed.. In either Mk1 or Mk2 form theyre absolutely stonking little motors.
Pic of my Mk2 from about 10 minutes ago lol. Cup Splitter kindly removed by a badger last week. lol.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/lagerlout1/DSC00042.jpgPIC 1
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/lagerlout1/DSC00044.jpgPIC 2
Sorry for quality, phone pics on wrong setting. lol.
[Edited by lagerlout1 on 18 August 2005 at 2:24pm]
Nice link lout
Dash is a bit basic but ph1s came with white dials.
thanks for the replys everyone, I think at the moment Im plumbing for the mk2 but just because I prefer the front end and its a bit newer. Whichever one I get, Ill hopefully become a regular soon!
used to be on the fiat coupe forum where a couple of owners have sold their 20vts recently in favour of the clio sports recently including me. Can honestly say there isnt a great deal of difference in terms of straight line speed but the clio would be all over the coop on a twisty road! Very surprised by the level of grip the clio can give
2005 Impreza WRX STI
b****cks
True, different gear ratios.
2005 Impreza WRX STI
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Clarkie172/CIMG1164.jpg
mk1s are quiker and look better!
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Clarkie172/CIMG1015.jpg
Quote: Originally posted by badinvincible on 18 August 2005
Quote: Originally posted by Neil82cup on 18 August 2005Quote: Originally posted by fUbAr on 18 August 2005 Mk1s are faster on paper, however in real life they are all very similar. Its all about the driver anyway.I prefer the seats in the Mk1, along with the RS dials and the air intakes cut into the front bumper. Also the fact that they use a cable throttle.I was in the same position as you... i could have afforded either a RS-1 or RS-2, but i chose the RS-1 due to the above. Says the man whos got a 15.4 1/4 mile 172, in my experience the mark 2 172 is faster than the mark 1 standard vs standard.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]True, different gear ratios.
i donnt think the gear ratios really matter until the 5th gear, where the mk1 is a bit of a slouch compared to mk2...
otherwise the mk1s 1th gear is a bit shorter, but that would make it slightly faster, lets say at least to a 100 mph, then mk2 would have the edge...
but were talking a few tents of a second here...so pracitcally nothing in everyday drive
All of the gear ratios are different. Not just 5th. The mk1 is quicker to 60, but posts the same time to the ton as the mk2.
Looking at Fubars 1/4 of 15.477 seconds, if his terminal was say 94 mph, it takes him 6.7 secs to get to 60, but a further 8.75 seconds to get to 94 mph. Which sounds pretty slow to me.
So in theory the mk2 could be quicker in the midrange. In reality, theres f**k all in it.
Correct-a-mundo.
Quote: Originally posted by Bandit on 18 August 2005
thanks for the replys everyone, I think at the moment Im plumbing for the mk2 but just because I prefer the front end and its a bit newer. Whichever one I get, Ill hopefully become a regular soon!
used to be on the fiat coupe forum where a couple of owners have sold their 20vts recently in favour of the clio sports recently including me. Can honestly say there isnt a great deal of difference in terms of straight line speed but the clio would be all over the coop on a twisty road! Very surprised by the level of grip the clio can give
Hi Bandit,
I use to have a Coupe 20VT (99) in Ink Black with the Abarth body kit. I have to agree with you the Clio will out perform the 20VT on the any twisty road or country drive but, in a striaght line the Clio falls short by a great deal. The 3rd gear is nothing like the ouptut seen from the 20VT. I have a Clio RS 172 MK2 on a 2002 plate with less than 16k, I chopped in my Volvo C70 2.3 T5 GT as I wanted something fun rather than the moterway muncher in the Volvo.
I tend to change cars often due to having a company car as well, I always have something in the garage to put a smile on my face, pound for pound the Clio is better than any other car Ive had; both company and personal, these include:
Fiat 20VT Coupe - Personal
Volvo C70 2.3GT T5 - Personal
Honda Prelude 2.2 VTI Motegi - Personal
BMW 328ci - Company
Audi 180BHP TT - Company
Peugeot 206 GTi - Company
The only thing I wish Id bought instead was a 182 Cup Spec - I dont think its quicker but you have to love those exhausts, silver seat belts and groovy wheels!!
Hurry up and get one - Youll not regret I can assure you. Last thing, if you go for a MK2 try to get Sat/Nav, I didnt know this was available until Idbought mine!! :-(
Im also new on here, like the Coupe forum everyone is happy to help and advise.
Good luck.
Just my opinion but I reckon that the design of the mkII is looking a bit outdated now esp next to 182 and trophy models. The mkII is now looking slightly like a hairdressers car its a bit feminine. When it first came out I loved it but now looking back it looks a bit of a girls car - for me its all about the wheels on it- they looked great back in 2001 but now look a bit crap i reckon compared to the 182 wheels or even the turinis.
The mkII dash/dials/steering wheel and front/headlights are alot better than the mkI but as the mkI is the original, to me it will always feel the best just I prefer a 1987 205 gti to a 1993 one, it just seems more raw.
My fav model is the cup but the only thing which lets it down for me is the colour and the wheels - finally thou I reckon with the trophy they have got it right good colour and wheels shame about the aircon.
just the weight, for me its unnecessary and instantly makes it feel less raw dnt see the point of it in the trophy
Nik
ClioSport Admin
Clio Trophy #355
I know what you mean, but these are road cars at the end of the day, and Renualt put aircon in because the customer demands it (why they eventually added it as an option on the cup).
99% of people who but these cars have to use it day to day and dont use them just as track cars, so most people want some basic comforts like aircon.
Nothing to stop owners ripping out the rear seats and the aircon if thats what they want though.
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