why 197 cams on a 1*2?

[fil_b]

why upgrade the 1*2 cams to the 197 cams?

there a similar profile, so what's the gains?

Phil

 

[not normal dan]

Gains only seem worthy when there fitted and mapped in conjunction with the stone automotive rs2 inlet manifold, no doubt chip, dan from sjm or mike from mwm will be along to explain.

 

[fil_b]

ok cool

didn't know if I missed anything lol

 

[VikkiB]

They work reasonably well with the stock inlet too in my experience. (And MicKPM @Deany will also vouch for how well my old engine went with them on a stock inlet) they are as good as 428's IMO.

 

[fil_b]

you prob looking at 190 to 200bhp with them?

 

[Dan@SJM]

you wouldn't get 200 on them on their own. Dan's made 200.0bhp on them with an RS2. I think Dan's was mid 190's on the standard matched inlets.

 

[fil_b]

I am on 185 with the rstuner remap, stealth exhaust and matched inlets.

mate rob made 195 with 428 cams and group n map.

 

[MicKPM]

Take all figures with a pinch of salt Fil_b. My midly modified Clio made 190hp @ RSTuning with 197 cams and an RS2 but it drives amazingly better on them than it did with the standard profile. I'm only going to 421's because I got them at a good price and I know the timing will be spot on with them where as with the 197 cams its still likely I've not got them in quite the right sweet spot.

Booked in with Paul @ RSTuning again on the 2nd of December with the new engine so i'll update then

Mick

 

[MG cup]

you wouldn't get 200 on them on their own. Dan's made 200.0bhp on them with an RS2. I think Dan's was mid 190's on the standard matched inlets.

Are you forgetting who's account your on lol.




@MicKPM it will be good to see someone in Britian try out a more aggressive profile.

 

[Renault Wolverhampton]

hopfully it wont set on fire

 

[MicKPM]

hopfully it wont set on fire

Harsh... was that yours?

 

[MicKPM]

@MicKPM it will be good to see someone in Britian try out a more aggressive profile.

I've already spoke to Paul and I don't he's ever done 421's with an RS2 before so yeah, always good to try new things.

 

[Renault Wolverhampton]

Harsh... was that yours?

naaa i can olny wish for good luck like that!

 

[MG cup]

I've already spoke to Paul and I don't he's ever done 421's with an RS2 before so yeah, always good to try new things.

Aky2008 has had some good results on his inlet but its far from a standard engine and its also not a known RR (Russia)

Its always put about on here that its pointless to do from the test's Stone automotive done which I just can't/couldn't get my head around. I have heard a few reasons to why the results were so poor now though.

Good luck.

 

[MicKPM]

Well I've got a graph for the current setup with a nice flat torque curve. I'll have something to compare it to on the 2nd and if its worse I'll cry lol

Yeah that Russian RS2'd car did cracking figures until recently. I love the manifold myself but others don't and so refuse to try it.

 

[NorthloopCup]

I may be able to let people know how the rs2 responds with 197 R3 maxi cams at some point in the future.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Are you forgetting who's account your on lol.




@MicKPM it will be good to see someone in Britian try out a more aggressive profile.

FLOL. She had left her account on my laptop, so I replied the above then realised it was on her account then edited it. Then replied from my phone on my account. FML.

 

[fil_b]

Can you do 421 with a standard ecu?

 

[Mr R.]

Yes you can.

 

[MicKPM]

Just have to raise the idle speed to around 1100rpm as standard idle is unstable as hell.

 

[gez 172]

How much are 197 cams?

 

[Mr R.]

Around £150 but they need to be timed up correctly, the standard setting dont get the best out of them.

 

[fil_b]

Wish I never asked now :dapprove:


Want some now

 

[-J-]

I've a set of 197 cams sat in front of me here, I planned to fit to my car but my engine went pop instead.

As I purchased a brand new engine I didn't fancy stripping it down to fit them.

 

[fil_b]

My replacement engine is at 36k. Not sure what to do

 

[gez 172]

I have a set of 197 cams for sale shortly if your interested

 

[gez 172]

You've got a low mileage, good running engine, better to see full gains from the cams, than in a tired engine

 

[Chip-mk1]

They are an improvement but it's a small one and only worth it if you are doing the belt anyway. (Unless you have an rs2 and really want 200bhp)

 

[fil_b]

I wait on my belts for now. Only in their 1st year and 4k miles lol

 

[MartinR]

Is the position of. 197 cams still top secret??

 

[gez 172]

I have some for sale in the parts section

 

[VikkiB]

Is the position of. 197 cams still top secret??

Not atall. It's shared very well between mike and dan.

 

[Jakey92]

I understand that you will get an increase in bhp but sacrifice lbs/ft

 

[MicKPM]

You do sacrifice some peak Jakey, not much but what you will gain is a flat and constant torque figure from 3k to the limiter. They make a great addition especially if you track your car.

 

[jon_r]

I must get mine fitted, they're still in the box on top of the car, along with the Meg injectors and the ARP bolts.

 

[VikkiB]

I had mine fitted this weekend. Still need the map adjusted though.

 

[MicKPM]

How does it feel?

 

[VikkiB]

Pretty much the same until 5k when it picks up a bit more but pulls a lot better over 6k. But it still has a cat on.

 

[Adam G]

Is the position of. 197 cams still top secret??

No, I'm sure they're still in the engine.