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There 195 Mk1 V6 and 250 Mk2 I think
The Mk1 are numbered upto 400 or something but they represent orders not deliveries everyone who ordered one was given a number but when they cancellen the numbers werent reused.
The williams is a classic there cannot be any more made (particularly mk1s) the V6 is a unique car which stands out more. Id go for a V6 for the newness and reliabilty but there always something about the classic Williams which the V6 cannot forfill.
Between all three Williams, there were about UK RHD 1100 made.
The Willy isnt really comparable with the V6. The V6 is a modern-day Turbo 2. In common with the Turbo 2, the Willy was a homologation special - but it was based more closely on the cooking hot hatch (Clio 16V) in looks terms at least, than the V6 and T2. Incidentally, the Turbo 2 was also a homologation vehicle, although the V6 isnt (apart from for the obviously one-make V6 race series).
The modern equivalent of a Williams would be a 182 with a 2.2 bottom end, transmission/suspension mods, a distinctive colour scheme/name and some equipment economies... and serious Group A rally cred.
I have seen loads of Williamss about but only one other V6.
They make 400 RHD versions of the V6 for the UK market, but not sure how many of those of bought?
The great thing about the V6 is the amount of looks and intrest you et from other people, almost every time I stop for petrol someone comes over and talks about how awesome it looks
The best quote from someone was "wow man what an awesome car, its a work of Art"
Simon.
The Williams was pretty exclusive before the Clio V6 was released, it kind of p+ssed on its fire a bit.
Didnt realise just how cheap u can get the Clio Williams for now! On Autotrader just £2300! with below average mileage. The cheapest rhd Clio V6 is the oldest 51 reg going for £15,500 with 16k miles.
Im selling mine and also love the V6, so I dont have a vested interest. But wherever I park up, whatever filling station Im at and at lots of traffic lights people are stumbling over themselves to get a look and ask me questions. People always know what a Williams is... or 50% of them at least, especially men under 50.
Agree.
People have asked before, "What do you drive?" "A Clio Williams" and then they like, look at ya and say "Bet thats fun isnt it?!" or something along those lines..
Id say most people know about Frank Williams.. and they instantly link the two.
I cant understand people who say bad things about the Williams - yes, it is old.. but its STILL regarded as one of the best hot hatches ever.. look at the Evo article.. it came 6th in the best 10 cars of the last decade.. now Im guessing, thats pretty good? Or am I being an idiot with rose tinted glasses on cus I own one?
Well when they were new, they were what, 13k.. which wasnt cheap back then.. so its probably older people. Now, they can be had for decent money so younger people can have them - but, the insurance is high.. so.. like.. it keeps the age up a bit I guess.
Thats a silly argument anyway. Age of owners has nothing to do with how good a car is.
If its over hyped.. why dont ANY reviews EVER say.. "this car is overhyped.. its not that great".. They dont.. I dont think Ive ever read a review which has said anything bad about how the Williams performs..
We know its silly.. but Williams was a marketing name.. has it worked? Of course.. most people seem to think Williams tuned it.. but its had the right effect yea? If they said "RenaultSport Clio 16v!" it wouldnt have the same effect would it?
[Edited by Daz on 15 June 2004 at 3:57pm]
I dont think the Willy is over-hyped. It is rightly remembered as the best hot hatch of its day and it doesnt seem that anything has actually taken that mantle away from it yet. There are faster and more comfortable hot hatches on the market today, but none is clearly head and shoulders above the rest -- and youd have a very hard time arguing theyve brought anything new to the table apart from power and spec. Power and spec make great luxury tourers, but what makes a great hot hatch I ask you?
Like Daz, Ive yet to see a review of a Williams that didnt call it one of the all time greats, let alone criticise it.
I am desperate for Renault to make a run (or three) of limited edition, homologated, hardcore 182s with a 2.2 bottom end, revised suspension and all the other bits.
Polo GTi
I would say the V6 is more exclusive at the moment, justifying how good a car is by its age is ridiculous. The reason its exclusive is its price. More exclusive = better? b****cks.
When the V6 is 10 years old Im sure you will see more of them about.
The way I see it is, people driving V6s around now, are either loaded, or old or both. Their cars get driven every 3rd sunday so you tend not to see them on the road obviously there are exceptions.
I honestly believe 10 years into the V6s life you will see more and more people using them as everyday cars, for all there impraticalities, mainly because the younger generation will be able to afford them. Same thing happend with the Scoobs.
Who the f**k cares which car is best, I drive a Williams because its special, I wanted a Cup originally but at this point in my life couldnt justify the payments, depreciation etc, so I chose a Williams.
With hindsight I would still make the same decision, Williams over 172, 182, CupV6. It suited me then for price/performance and it still does.
I have never driven any of the Renaultsport cars, this is the reason I dont slate them, never knock them until you tried them, I have tried a Williams and its the best car I have ever dove, which is not many. How many of the Williams bashers have actually driven a Williams? Probbably get proven wrong now.
Anyway....its getting right on my tits all this squabbling over whos car is best, get over it, its a car not a major life decision, enjoy what you have got and appreciate other peoples choices.
This is not aimed at anyone in particular, just getting pissed off with the Willy bashing.
Take care.
Polo GTi
Id love one ta
must be getting exited cause its nearly home time
Polo GTi
Yeah I know what your saying Tom, its not the best car in the world but for some its is...well until their next car comes along.
I have always loved the Williams and will fondly remember all the Renault sporty cars, V6 included.
But Im certainly not under the impression its never been or going to be improved upon. Just take it for what it is.
Bet this conversation would of been interesting if Stromba was still here...eeee those were the days.
Polo GTi
So if 1 car is faster than another does that make the faster car the better one? Im getting confused now, thought it was age that made the difference?
Polo GTi
Yep fit for purpose, thats my Willy allright
