Willwood 4 pots or std calipers

[jonbarlow]

Im getting new brakes this week for my 172 cup(track car), so what should i go for?

I know everybody likes HC discs with 2500 pads, but will i notice much diference if i get the willwood kit?

Plus the willwoods will always command good money when i come to sell them, Anybody whos run both kits?

Car is std at the moment but will end up with TBs

 

[DanielG]

Biggest difference I noticed with the Wilwoods (I've got the Dynapro caliper and using Pagid RS4-2 pads) was the brake feel. For me, they're far more linear. But that being said, I fitted braided lines with the Wilwoods, so that may have made a difference too.

In terms of stopping power, compared to my old setup (Black Diamond Predator pads) - this definitely stops better. How much better? Hard to say.. but I got them 2nd hand for a good price so...!

 

[Tony Hunter]

Although 4 pots are fantastic,the standard set up is very good and man enough to do the job.Save your money.

 

[Sam@NP]

You will attract more bitches with 4 pots.

 

[Tony Hunter]

If it's dog's that your after,then chuck some Bonio's in there.

 

[Kelv]

Jon, your like me mate and used to having AP 6 pots and 378 discs which stop you on a dime whenever you want them.

The standard Clio brakes are adequate but still need that bit more in my opinion, you feel as though you just need that bit more confidence so I went for the wilwood 4 pots for the misses 182.
I've since bought a 172 cup this week to make my own track car aswell, Martoon is working on some AP 4 pots for me at the mo, so I'll see what comes off and keep you posted.

If you wanted, your welcome to take out our 182 at ND in a few weeks and see how you feel about them before you outlay the money

 

[jonbarlow]

Cheers for the offer Kelv you have pm, im at Cadwell on the 13th Sept so really need to make my mind up before then, Think im gonna go with the Willwoods

Some good advice, HC disks and 2500s sound like a bargain but i only want to fit once and i hate the thought i will be on track regretting my choice

 

[Meek_racing]

You will attract more b**ches with 4 pots.

Around Cov... The only B**ches will be

 

[r900smp]

I had 2nd hand wilwds and tbh theres not that much difference i wish id spent the money elsewhere....coke/hookers the usual

 

[Fred@BTM]

waste of time

 

[Tony Hunter]

waste of time

Thankyou sir.

 

[jonbarlow]

Hi Fred why a waste of time? im getting differing reports on std calipers for track use, i would rather get the best i can first time so its fit and forget

 

[Fletcher]

The standard brakes are good, with the right discs/ pads.

However I do like my Compbrake 4 pots, great pedal feel, and lighter then the standard set up.

 

[.Kev.]

If people race/rally with standard calipers ect, that's good enough for me.

 

[cliobritt]

Hi Fred why a waste of time? im getting differing reports on std calipers for track use, i would rather get the best i can first time so its fit and forget

RS Clio wont need them unless its running BIG power, mostley due to the lightness of the clio.

My ek9 went to + 60bhp and + 45ftlb and my Dixcel and ds2500 are still great

 

[cliobritt]

RS Clio wont need them unless its running BIG power, mostley due to the lightness of the clio.

My ek9 went to + 60bhp and + 45ftlb and my Dixcel and ds2500 are still great

And this is on track.

 

[Russ_16v]

My own experience is I think the standard calipers are fine - though after driving a car with 4pots, I felt it gave a better pedal feel when the brakes were warmed up, but if im honest in terms of braking power, I couldn't feel any difference.

Iv always used standard calipers on my previous Clio's, my black one which spent many hours on track and did the job fine.

Or you could go with what my mate did on his mk1, and fitted 6 pots on the front - the thing could near enough do an endo lol

 

[Kam.]

waste of time

Hi Fred why a waste of time? im getting differing reports on std calipers for track use, i would rather get the best i can first time so its fit and forget

because you need to understand how brakes actually work and what effects braking distance. Heres a little clue. Why does braking distance increase on a wet road? This will eliminate an answer for the next question. Why fit bigger discs and calipers?
The key to driving a car fast on track is understanding what you have got rather than bolting on lots of goodies from a catalogue

 

[jonbarlow]

Hmm, now im confused lol

 

[Kam.]

ha ha. Learnings fun though when it affects you in the real world

 

[Tony Hunter]

Why the confusion?,we (I) are not saying that 4pots are no good,I have driven several Clio's with them on,just that they are not necessary.
You do not need to arrive at a corner and stand on the brakes so your eyeballs pop out,standard callipers with decent pads work very well,we race with this set up as we feel that a 4pot system would be to no advantage on a car that weighs less than 900kg's.

 

[172Ben]

waste of time

This, and i bought 4 pots.

Standards are more than enough imo if you get better discs pads and lines with good fluid.

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Standard calipers, braided lines, Brembo HC discs and DS2500 pads. Renew fluid (follow the guide carefully!!) .. done

Take the Mrs on hols with the ££'s saved

 

[Simon@SprayShack]

Im waiting for my 4pots ive ordered, if your going to "significantly" up the power of the car i.e turbo etc, which is my end plan then they are definately a worth while investment IMO.

 

[Tony Hunter]

The OP has never mentioned anything about "significantly" upping the power or a Turbo.

We shall be "upping our power next year and still will not be going 4pots.

I'm just answering the question asked.

 

[jonbarlow]

Thanks Guys, some good advice

Think im gonna go with Brembo HCs and DS pads and use the money saved for further mods

 

[sideways danny]

there's lots of reasons 4 pots caliper have advantages, and lots of reasons standard are fine for short distance racing

4 pots are almost always made of aluminium which is better at dispersing heat. You also get the advantage of evenly using both sides of the disk, which although they are floating sliding calipers, Clios will wear out the inside of the disk fist absolutely 100% every single time. Make it more even and you strain the system less and get less heat to start with


a fully prepared race car, or even a track day toy will usually be a hell of a lot lighter than a road car. Talking 200kg's or more difference. This means the braking effort needed will be less. It goes along the same theory that Tony and Jay found with running extreme compound pads, if you have a light car you don't need the brakes to do nearly as much.


Of course once you start increasing the number of pistons per caliper, you also need to start thinking about pedal travel, and front/rear bias. Then it gets harder

 

[CraigIrl]

Just buy some pagids if you want some good brakes and you'll be sorted.