Wishbones

[Chip-mk1]

I have been doing some digging along with adam at the renault trade parts hub and have found that "cup" wishbones are in fact apparently not just on cups.

There are only two variants of wishbones for the 172 as far as we can tell:

ph1 and early ph2 = less castor.
Late ph2 (cup or not and inc 182) = more castor.

So it would appear that it's a myth the cup is different, so for example where I swapped to "cup" arms on our ph2 the reason it gained castor was it went from early spec ph2 to late, the cup part was irrelevant.


Can some people with original arms still on their 172 post pics of the arms next time they have the wheels off and say what age and variant it is so we can confirm this once and for all.

I suspect we are going to find the same story with sub frames as well, that it will be not the case (as reported on here) that cup wishbone mounting points specifically are wider but that its all late ones.
So again if people could provide pictures over time it would be useful.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Part numbers:

8200257957/8200257956 182 later ph2 172, cup packed and non cup packed cars
6000073512/6000073511 early ph 172 and all 172 ph1

 

[Ade T]

Got my 02 plate 172 on the ramps tomorrow for ball joints. I'll get some pics!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Cool mate, thanks.


Would be nice to get a definitive answer to this as there is so much myth and legend on here that we have all been taking as fact.

 

[BIGASH]

Do you remember that pic I sent to you Chip of my 182 arms that I said looked like they had more caster this could explain it!

 

[Renault Wolverhampton]

aint we good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Do you remember that pic I sent to you Chip of my 182 arms that I said looked like they had more caster this could explain it!

Yes mate, yours are no doubt the same as the 172 cup ones in the first place!

 

[Chip-mk1]

aint we good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didnt realise you were on here Adam.

Small world

 

[Renault Wolverhampton]

i was t21ads on here before mate.
well at least we can put all the myths and riddles to bed with what we found out!

 

[Dan@SJM]

T21ads...
Wasn't that on an inferno that got stolen a few years back?

 

[Renault Wolverhampton]

if it did it wasnt mine.i px'd my old inferno cup in in 2005 for a 225 cup.i always wandered what happened to that car!

 

[Dan@SJM]

Must be my poor memory then lol.

 

[Renault Wolverhampton]

well the reg still comes up on the inferno one on my renault system

 

[MG cup]

Burpspeed run 182 arms iirc and have the extra caster so seems right.

 

[Adam G]

I'll check my 177 in the next few days mate as it's a quite late one.

 

[Ade T]

Can someone just reiterate exactly what I need to photograph tomorrow?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Can someone just reiterate exactly what I need to photograph tomorrow?

The bottom arm, showing the mounting bolts for the outer balljoint

Its the angle of these two bolts that dictates how the balljoint and hence wheel is located in terms of castor (ie how far forwards or back it sits)

 

[Paul172sport]

So anything else 'cup' not really 'cup'?

 

[Tony Hunter]

So anything else 'cup' not really 'cup'?

Power.

 

[Munson]

I'm obviously missing something but I don't ever recall Renault stating that Cups have different wishbones. Just different hubs?

 

[SBV116]

Power.

The fact that even a hint of ice means write off.

 

[Ade T]

I'm sure i can manage that! I've got a 172 cup as well so I'll try get some of them if i get time.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I'm obviously missing something but I don't ever recall Renault stating that Cups have different wishbones. Just different hubs?

172 cup hubs are the same as all other hubs, the only different ones are 182 cup packed.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I'm sure i can manage that! I've got a 172 cup as well so I'll try get some of them if i get time.

That would be great, thanks.

 

[Jakey92]

Any idea, so far, what year these were changed?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Any idea, so far, what year these were changed?

Seems to be around the 03 or so point, but trouble is cars arent always registered in the order that are made of course!

 

[jon_r]

I'm at Dan's next Thursdsay getting my ph1 wishbones exchanged for cup wishbones. I'll get a pic.

 

[Adam G]

Can you wait until next Friday as I'm having a new tyre fitted then?

 

[Chip-mk1]

No urgency, just thought the site could do with a definitive answer on it for when people search in future.

 

[Adam G]

Ok mate, just think as mine's an 03 one, it might help.

 

[peanuthead]

Bugger just had the cup in the air looking at the steering rack bushes should have taken a picture.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I had a cup packed 182 here yesterday and can confirm it definitely had the greater caster arms, didn't get a chance to take a pic but its back on Sunday so I will do so then to show what it is we are looking for in case anyone is still unsure.

 

[Tony Hunter]

I know my 182 cup has them

 

[Chip-mk1]

I had a 172 cup in today for a track rod change, and predictably that is the more caster arms, but we all knew that would be the case on that one of course.
It was also longer track rods as well though just to confirm that.

 

[lee24]

Had my cup jacked up today, dont know if these are any good for a comparison ?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yep those are the increased camber ones.

 

[R1317]

Hi from Australia.

This is the passenger side wishbone on my March 2002 build 172 Ph2, original, never been changed. I want to upgrade to the extra castor ones to see if it solves some of the drive shaft binding i'm getting. Great thread and detective work Chip!

 

[JonnyGee]

has anyone got side by side pics?
if not i can try and grab some?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Hi from Australia.

This is the passenger side wishbone on my March 2002 build 172 Ph2, original, never been changed. I want to upgrade to the extra castor ones to see if it solves some of the drive shaft binding i'm getting. Great thread and detective work Chip!

Yeah thats certainly not the increased caster ones.

 

[Adamm.]

My 182 cup 54 plate has the lower castor wishbones but Dan did say it looks like they could have been replaced at some point.