Yellow engine VS Turbo

[TheJesus]

Just been looking at BB Tuning website and they have a yellow series engine for the Williams for around £4-5k. It tells you all the stuff they do to it, but surely for about the same amount of money a turbo upgrade would be a better idea?

Thoughts and comments?

 

[Essex_Lad]

for £4k-£5k its not worth it i reckon

how much BHP is it meant to increase it by?

a Turbo with that amount of money could produce a lot more power

 

[Tom]

BLACK ENGINE
This item is available fully fitted at £1,850.00
Consists of :-
Uprated full headgasket set / Bolts, Bottom end gasket / seal set, Piston Rings, Hydraulic camshaft lifters, Crankshaft bearings, Oil pump service kit, Water pump, Cambelt, Cambelt tensioner, Cambelt idler pulley, Alternator belt, Spark plugs, Oil filter, Coolant / Antifreeze and Synthetic engine / gearbox oil.

As many of the above parts are of a higher standard than the original factory items, this makes our engine stronger and more durable than the factory engine.

Price includes labour and also includes a selection of sundries i.e. new hose clips etc..

NEW!

http://www.bbperformancetuning.co.uk/products/product.asp?deptid=94&id=199








http://www.bbperformancetuning.co.uk/products/product.asp?deptid=94&id=200

RED ENGINE
This item is available fully fitted at £2,999.00
Consists of Black Engine spec. Plus:-

Increased compression ratio, Fast Road Exchange Camshafts, Vernier cam pulleys, Mild gasflow to cylinder head, Balanced bottom end and a New ECU chip to suit modifications.

All parts are setup on our rolling road for maximum power gains making this engine a very popular choice with the fast road user.

Price includes labour and also includes a selection of sundries i.e. new hose clips etc..

NEW!

http://www.bbperformancetuning.co.uk/products/product.asp?deptid=94&id=200








http://www.bbperformancetuning.co.uk/products/product.asp?deptid=94&id=201

YELLOW ENGINE
This item is available fully fitted at £4,379.00
Consists of Red Engine Spec. Plus:-

Full Lightened and Balanced Bottom end, Knife edged ground Crankshaft, Fast Road / Race Camshafts (New items not re-ground) Best profile available for use with hydraulic lifters. These are mated to our Fully ported and gasflowed cylinder head and as with our Red spec. an ECU chip is matched to the modifications.

Price includes labour and also includes a selection of sundries i.e. new hose clips etc..

 

[Essex_Lad]

doesnt say wot increase it gives it but im guessin bout 50-60

 

[TheJesus]

thats what I thought... no mention of power which suggests that it is one of these experimental power mods that could just end up being a complete waste of time and money... although it does sound nice id imagine this would de-value my car no end.

 

[riplash]

That price is for a full rebuild and major work

The cheapest turbo conversion, which is almost the same price, doesnt include any sort of rebuild, the one that does is £7k+ !!

With the engine conversions that involve a rebuild you are buying reliable power in the long term

 

[Essex_Lad]

but to get 200+ turbo engines are the only way to go

1.4 turbo alone can push out 300BHP with that amount of money

 

[riplash]

Very true

No point going for a turbo conversion unless you can afford to rebuild at the same time though in my opinion

Why bother when you might never get full potential, or only have it a year max before it goes BANG?

 

[Adams_16v]

i had the same work as the red engine with somone local, but different cams and no chip, and it cost me under £2k that included new clutch, gearbox reconditioned, 15 new valves and MOT.

 

[Adams_16v]

oooo 5000 posts. sad b@stard lol

 

[riplash]

Quote: Originally posted by Adams_16v on 12 January 2004

i had the same work as the black engine with somone local, but different cams and no chip, and it cost me under £2k that included new clutch, gearbox reconditioned, 15 new valves and MOT.

Bloody good value!

 

[Adams_16v]

edit: i meant to put red engine my mistake! but with knife edge crank.

 

[Adams_16v]

dont forget there is VAT on top of those prices as well!!!

 

[riplash]

kinell, even better then!!!

 

[Ben H]

I doubt youd see more than an extra 20bhp from the yellow engine. I speak from experience (though not with BB)

 

[u33db]

Itd be fair to say that the yellow spec wouldnt be as nice to drive either considering the peaky cams etc.... Throttle bodies might be cheaper alternative for you though.

 

[Craggy]

am i right in thinking over 4k ansd still no throttle bodies???????? is a big list of sundries meant to look like some kind of expensive spec?, its nice to have it all changed il admit but you want power power power for your money

 

[Soneji]

Welcome to the world of the big rip off tuners

 

[MAXIBOY]

turbos better valve